Video of hallway brawls at Whitman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very likely the attackers are from the National Center for Children and Families. They have defacto immunity. You will never hear anything.

To be fair, NCCF has been there since the 1930s and the specific program for homeless and abandoned youth has been there since the 70s. Probably longer than most of the folks on this board complaining about their existence.

This program to bring violent offenders here is relatively new. Shelter for families in need sure, makes sense, and they are embraced.

The group home model for the recently released from jail, not so much. If you new the violent rap sheets on the kids, you would not want to send your kids to school with, on the bus with, or anywhere near them. They are extremely dangerous.

According to the website, that program has been in place since 1973, so again I think folks in Whitman zone went into this with their eyes wide open.

The fundamental fact is that minors, even those who have been court involved, have a legal right to an education. I understand that you don't want that education to happen in Potomac, but it needs to happen somewhere and it may as well be a school where these kids are less likely to run into some of their old partners in crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

And then what happens to these expelled kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids would have broken up the fight, sad there are kids that stand around and video tape.

Your kids would not have broken up the fight, and if they actually did they would run a serious risk.

Teachers used to break up fights but most teachers now absolutely will not because so many have been injured. Teachers also realize nothing really happens to the kids fighting so why are they going to risk getting hurt when the kid is back in class later that day or the next day. Look up the suspension rate for Whitman. My guess is it is at or close to zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very likely the attackers are from the National Center for Children and Families. They have defacto immunity. You will never hear anything.

To be fair, NCCF has been there since the 1930s and the specific program for homeless and abandoned youth has been there since the 70s. Probably longer than most of the folks on this board complaining about their existence.

This program to bring violent offenders here is relatively new. Shelter for families in need sure, makes sense, and they are embraced.

The group home model for the recently released from jail, not so much. If you new the violent rap sheets on the kids, you would not want to send your kids to school with, on the bus with, or anywhere near them. They are extremely dangerous.

According to the website, that program has been in place since 1973, so again I think folks in Whitman zone went into this with their eyes wide open.

The fundamental fact is that minors, even those who have been court involved, have a legal right to an education. I understand that you don't want that education to happen in Potomac, but it needs to happen somewhere and it may as well be a school where these kids are less likely to run into some of their old partners in crime.

and the right to education of the students who can’t learn due to the disruptions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very likely the attackers are from the National Center for Children and Families. They have defacto immunity. You will never hear anything.

To be fair, NCCF has been there since the 1930s and the specific program for homeless and abandoned youth has been there since the 70s. Probably longer than most of the folks on this board complaining about their existence.

This program to bring violent offenders here is relatively new. Shelter for families in need sure, makes sense, and they are embraced.

The group home model for the recently released from jail, not so much. If you new the violent rap sheets on the kids, you would not want to send your kids to school with, on the bus with, or anywhere near them. They are extremely dangerous.

According to the website, that program has been in place since 1973, so again I think folks in Whitman zone went into this with their eyes wide open.

The fundamental fact is that minors, even those who have been court involved, have a legal right to an education. I understand that you don't want that education to happen in Potomac, but it needs to happen somewhere and it may as well be a school where these kids are less likely to run into some of their old partners in crime.

Correct. Then we need to change the laws perhaps. The purpose of these programs is to provide a safe environment for these children who are also victims. That’s great. However, when that causes harm to others, it’s not something that should be permitted. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate people as well, but also to isolate dangerous criminals who cannot be rehabilitated. If the NCCF can help children become productive at Whitman or any other place, wonderful. But it should be one chance. If you injure another person, we can’t help anymore.

[Anonymous]

My child was involved in a similar assault; he was the victim, and the perpetrator was also a minority. The school did nothing despite us reporting the incident to the SRO and county police as an official report. We never heard back. The only consequence the perpetrator faced was a few days of in-school suspension, even though the child was a known repeat offender.

There is a push to avoid the punitive school-to-jail pipeline, but the side effect is that kids realize they won't face serious consequences, so they continue these behaviors. There is no accountability within the school system or even the juvenile justice system. This lack of accountability contributes to the rise in juvenile crime. The focus on avoiding punishment in favor of rehabilitation is often exploited by kids, and if the child is from an underrepresented minority group, there seems to be even less incentive to pursue any form of punishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child was involved in a similar assault; he was the victim, and the perpetrator was also a minority. The school did nothing despite us reporting the incident to the SRO and county police as an official report. We never heard back. The only consequence the perpetrator faced was a few days of in-school suspension, even though the child was a known repeat offender.

There is a push to avoid the punitive school-to-jail pipeline, but the side effect is that kids realize they won't face serious consequences, so they continue these behaviors. There is no accountability within the school system or even the juvenile justice system. This lack of accountability contributes to the rise in juvenile crime. The focus on avoiding punishment in favor of rehabilitation is often exploited by kids, and if the child is from an underrepresented minority group, there seems to be even less incentive to pursue any form of punishment.

schools exist to create democrats. If it can’t be done by indoctrination then not learning will suffice as they’ll be reliant on the state for life .

[Anonymous]

Kids used to be able to drop out at age 16. Maryland law now requires us to educate/manage kids until age 18. These older kids don’t want to be in school and just wander around looking for others to hang out with. No intention of graduating in many cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

And then what happens to these expelled kids?

That will be their parent’s problem to solve. Looks like they’ll have to step up and start parenting. Real consequences for crime. Unlike Jwando and Mink, I don’t think these kids who are assaulting other kids need to stay within the public school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

And then what happens to these expelled kids?

That will be their parent’s problem to solve. Looks like they’ll have to step up and start parenting. Real consequences for crime. Unlike Jwando and Mink, I don’t think these kids who are assaulting other kids need to stay within the public school system.

And when they don't?

Their parents either don't care, are dead, or are terrified of their own children.

Wishing is not a strategy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

And then what happens to these expelled kids?

That will be their parent’s problem to solve. Looks like they’ll have to step up and start parenting. Real consequences for crime. Unlike Jwando and Mink, I don’t think these kids who are assaulting other kids need to stay within the public school system.

And when they don't?

Their parents either don't care, are dead, or are terrified of their own children.

Wishing is not a strategy.

If the parents are unable to handle their own children they should be either removed from the home or its a telling sign to some type of mental health concern where the child shouldn't be in the general population

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

And then what happens to these expelled kids?

That will be their parent’s problem to solve. Looks like they’ll have to step up and start parenting. Real consequences for crime. Unlike Jwando and Mink, I don’t think these kids who are assaulting other kids need to stay within the public school system.

And when they don't?

Their parents either don't care, are dead, or are terrified of their own children.

Wishing is not a strategy.

they only seem to punish parents if they legally own guns and the kids use a gun in a crime. Parents should be held responsible for the crimes of the kid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids would have broken up the fight, sad there are kids that stand around and video tape.

Your kids would not have broken up the fight, and if they actually did they would run a serious risk.

Teachers used to break up fights but most teachers now absolutely will not because so many have been injured. Teachers also realize nothing really happens to the kids fighting so why are they going to risk getting hurt when the kid is back in class later that day or the next day. Look up the suspension rate for Whitman. My guess is it is at or close to zero.

Yes they would and they have and yes they get a 1 day suspension. IDGAF.

Teach your kids to do better.

There is a security guard in the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

What attention? A Twitter post? Is the media even covering it?

The media might be covering if the victim had been a "real" Whitman kid, but the victim also lives in the shelter, so nothing to see here, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just get attention because it’s Whitman.

This is happening in every high school and even middle schools in our county. Yet it gets covered up and the same bullies and aggravators are allowed back in because they can’t be expelled. Expel them!

What attention? A Twitter post? Is the media even covering it?

The media might be covering if the victim had been a "real" Whitman kid, but the victim also lives in the shelter, so nothing to see here, I guess.

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