If you're Jewish, how has October 7 impacted your outlook?

[Anonymous]

For those over 50….i feel like the criticism from certain people on the left is not that dissimilar to what happened in the late 80s and early 90s during the intifada. I remember people selling keffiyah at swap meets along with like the no nule t-shirts and a lot of criticism of Israel from the left. One difference is that there were a lot fewer Muslims in the U.S. back then so it perhaps didn’t amplify outside the far left circles. But it was definitely a thing on college campuses among the left. Does no one else remember that?
I also feel like it was different because a lot of my Jewish friends had significant vocal reservations about the Israeli response to the intifada, and were really pushing for a peace process. Because of the horror of 10/7, I think that’s a harder position to take now.

[Anonymous]

American Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

will not find this info from Ms Rubin.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

If this were true, then they should speak candidly and open debate on the matter - not seek to suppress it.

How? Schools are suppressing Jewish opinion while welcoming all the anti-Israeli protests.

And not just universities; it is the high schools too:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-high-school-allegedly-banned-yellow-ribbons-honoring-israeli-hostages-deeply-offensive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No Jewish American in their right mind can vote for democrats in good conscience in 2024. No intelligent Jewish person anyway.

Ah, so are we supposed to vote for the guy who says it'll be our fault if he loses, then? The one who's supported by the people who fervently believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories already?

DP. Are you referring to LWNJs? Because those are very obviously the people who believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories and who clearly detest Jews. I know who I'm voting for.

No, I'm referring to the QAnon crowd and the neo-Nazis who enthusiastically support Trump. There are a lot of people in both parties who hate Jews. Given a choice between two political parties that both have supporters who dislike me, I'm still voting for the one whose policies I mostly agree with rather than the one I totally disagree with. And, again, at least Harris has not said she'd blame the Jews if she loses!

The PP asked you about “LWNJs” who are antiSemitic.

Look no further than D.C.’s own Councilman Trayon White, who is an antiSemite, under a federal corruption indictment, but who the democrats still back and will likely re-elect next month.

Or Louis Farrakhan and his entire movement.

[Anonymous]

Jewist people voting for Trump are just as despicable as anyone else who does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No Jewish American in their right mind can vote for democrats in good conscience in 2024. No intelligent Jewish person anyway.

Ah, so are we supposed to vote for the guy who says it'll be our fault if he loses, then? The one who's supported by the people who fervently believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories already?

DP. Are you referring to LWNJs? Because those are very obviously the people who believe in antisemitic conspiracy theories and who clearly detest Jews. I know who I'm voting for.

No, I'm referring to the QAnon crowd and the neo-Nazis who enthusiastically support Trump. There are a lot of people in both parties who hate Jews. Given a choice between two political parties that both have supporters who dislike me, I'm still voting for the one whose policies I mostly agree with rather than the one I totally disagree with. And, again, at least Harris has not said she'd blame the Jews if she loses!

The PP asked you about “LWNJs” who are antiSemitic.

Look no further than D.C.’s own Councilman Trayon White, who is an antiSemite, under a federal corruption indictment, but who the democrats still back and will likely re-elect next month.

Or Louis Farrakhan and his entire movement.

Actually, the PP asked if that was who I was referring to. Except I was not referring to people like Trayon White, who is definitely an antisemitic nut job, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American Jews are causing this tragedy.

the US would not be giving so much support to Israel/Zionism without American Jews driving the financing.

will not find this info from Ms Rubin.

Under the guise of charitable donations, tens of millions of dollars are regularly sent to Israel in the form of "tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem," the New York Times reported. Much of the money, falsely promoted as donations for educational and religious purposes, often finds its way to funding and purchasing housing for illegal settlers, "as well as guard dogs, bulletproof vests, rifle scopes and vehicles to secure (illegal Jewish) outposts deep in occupied (Palestinian) areas."

Quite often, US money ends up in the Israeli government's coffers under deceptive pretenses. For example, the latest Stimulus Package includes $50 million to fund the Nita M. Lowey Middle East Partnership for Peace Funds, supposedly to provide investments in "people-to-people exchanges and economic cooperation ... between Israelis and Palestinians with the goal of supporting a negotiated and sustainable two-state solution."

Actually, such money serves no particular purpose, since Washington and Tel Aviv endeavor to ensure the demise of a negotiated peace agreement and work hand-in-hand to kill the now defunct two-state solution.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/31/us-money-tree-untold-story-american-aid-israel

The bolded part is not true — American Jews are a tiny sliver of the electorate, and without massive support for Israel from conservative Christians and also mainstream politicians who have (at least until recently) generally seen Israel as a useful U.S. ally in the region, would not be able to sway U.S. policy on their own. It's definitely a problem that tax-deductible donations can support groups that fund and back illegal settlements, but that's a tiny sum compared to official U.S. transfers of arms and other aid, anyway.

But if you'd rather believe that Jews are controlling American politics with all our money, I suppose that's fine, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deeply-and-increasingly-connected-to-israel

there is an israeli flag in every synagogue . this is what the support. it is NOT in US's interest. They are parasites.

Genocide

UN PLAN 1947
55% ISRAEL
44% PALESTINE
01% JERUSALEM

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CURRENT LAND USE TOTAL
91% ISRAEL
09% PALESTINE

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It’s a Genocide.

OK, THIS poster definitely doesn't like Jews.

"They are parasites."

Having a flag doesn't mean you support every single thing that the nation with that flag does, of course.

I don't disagree with your general critique of the way Israel has seized Palestinian land, though I don't know if your specific percentages are correct. But there are several times more Palestinian people living within Israel or Israeli-controlled boundaries today than there were in 1947, so I don't know that I agree that your land stats alone support your claim of genocide. In 1947 there were about 1.5 million Palestinians. Today there are more than 5 million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What has happened on university campuses since October 7 has revealed the left’s character. And that character includes a very ugly support, openly or tacitly, for antiSemitism.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What has happened on university campuses since October 7 has revealed the left’s character. And that character includes a very ugly support, openly or tacitly, for antiSemitism.

+1

The far left is only a small subset of the Democratic base, just like the far right is only a small subset of the Republican base.

[Anonymous]

I am an agnostic/non-observant Christian married to an agnostic/non-observant Jew. I have never understood the conflict in the middle east and now that I'm mid 40's I'm starting to accept that I never will.

Why can't everyone just get along? No strip of land is worth all this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

If this were true, then they should speak candidly and open debate on the matter - not seek to suppress it.

Well you don't think its true, I think its true, so nothing else to say. You are not going to convince me, I am not going to convince you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

Have you seen an aerial view of Gaza lately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

Have you seen an aerial view of Gaza lately?

No because there is a complete lack of acknowledgment of the other sides pain. It’s like it does not exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The liberal left is absolutely not a friend to Jewish people. Quite the opposite.

And that is ENTIRELY the result of the actions of the Jews.

Their barbarism against the Palestinians makes civil relations with Jews untenable.