If you're Jewish, how has October 7 impacted your outlook?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

The diplomatic community as a whole detests the Israeli Government, which lies to them repeatedly, and most politicians believe they have no alternative but to support Israel because otherwise massive amounts of money will flow to other candidates to attack them. The main exceptions are right-wing evangelical Republicans who support Israel because they think its actions will hasten the end of days (i.e., the rapture), but these are not intelligent people.

You just don't like Jews. Every argument flows from this. I don't like Jews, they are liars. I don't like Jews, why the U.S. support Israel, I don't like them, so it doesn't make sense the country I live in supports them. I immigrated here, why doesn't the U.S. listen to me? I am an American now, listen to me!

+1

This poster has repeatedly made derogatory remarks about America and Americans.

They are apparently miserable here.

[Anonymous]

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deeply-and-increasingly-connected-to-israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

Jew here this is BS

I am a reform Jew and now since Trump
And the stupids I will never vote for a Republican again. Because I have a brain. Nothing to do with being left.

Your so called take of leftists is an extremely small minority of Jews. Less than the cult Jews like Chabad or Lubbies or Hasidic who are stunningly gross for supporting Republicans the party of Nazis.

I support Israel full on but I am an American First .

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The OP is crazy. Listen to Harris, she is very specific in supporting, without question, the Israeli people in their defense. She was pretty candid in suggesting Netanyahu is the problem, and I could not agree more.

I am more concerned about the nativist anti-Jewish rhetoric from the neo-KKK, Marge Greene types than I am for people who support the Palestinians. And yes, I distinguish between the plight of Palestinian people and Hamas, who should not be supported on any level.

Then why aren’t you - and Harris - demanding Hamas surrender and release all hostages, full stop?

Still yammering on about the full surrender and release of the hostages? Israel has killed 40,000 innocent people and you’re going on about the hostages? It doesn’t add up. I’ve always been pro Israel, but these finals months have really had me soul searching. I think Netanyahu is out of his mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

The diplomatic community as a whole detests the Israeli Government, which lies to them repeatedly, and most politicians believe they have no alternative but to support Israel because otherwise massive amounts of money will flow to other candidates to attack them. The main exceptions are right-wing evangelical Republicans who support Israel because they think its actions will hasten the end of days (i.e., the rapture), but these are not intelligent people.

You just don't like Jews. Every argument flows from this. I don't like Jews, they are liars. I don't like Jews, why the U.S. support Israel, I don't like them, so it doesn't make sense the country I live in supports them. I immigrated here, why doesn't the U.S. listen to me? I am an American now, listen to me!

+1

This poster has repeatedly made derogatory remarks about America and Americans.

They are apparently miserable here.

DP

This country was established on the backs of patriots challenging the abuses of those governing them. And you think you’re going to tell Americans today that we’re the problem for questioning the actions taken by our corrupt elected representatives and career officials in the federal government who unethically embrace their own conflicts of interest in shaping U.S. foreign policy?

That’s not happening. We may strongly object to what’s going on right now, but the only recourse is to hold our elected officials and corrupt officials in State, etc. accountable for their actions. We’re going nowhere, but there eventually will be a major change in U.S. foreign policy. It happens every few decades, and typically with far fewer citizens demanding it.

[Anonymous]

I am a woman, mid-50s, Catholic. I will not ever forget how a coworker of mine reacted to 9/11/2001, when I worked as an adjunct on a community college campus. The coworker was also a white woman, except she was a tenured professor. She was most concerned about attacks on her Muslim students by angry retaliation from Americans. She actually said aloud that was her greatest concern and fear, not concern for fire fighters and first responders and their families, not concern for all the people who were actually attacked and killed.

That was the start for me of seeing colleges and universities as jumping the rails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

"According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. "


not just the left, most of the world feels this way.

anyone with eyes sees this happening.

the terror started in 1948, not 10/7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

"According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. "


not just the left, most of the world feels this way.

anyone with eyes sees this happening.

the terror started in 1948, not 10/7

Or maybe the terror started in 1939?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

"According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. "


not just the left, most of the world feels this way.

anyone with eyes sees this happening.

the terror started in 1948, not 10/7

Or maybe the terror started in 1939?

Mohammad Zarqa trembled with fear as he watched panicked crowds of people, screaming and covered in blood, rush into his small village on the outskirts of Jerusalem.

“You have to run,” he remembers a woman crying out, shocking Zarqa out of a daze and sending him racing home to warn his family. He was only 12 years old at the time, unaware of the looming war that would soon upend his life.

It was April 9, 1948, and Jewish militias had just attacked Deir Yassin, a village about a mile northeast of Zarqa’s home in Ein Karem in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine. At least 100 people, including women and children, were killed – many stripped, lined up and shot with automatic fire, according to reports from the time archived by the United Nations (https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-211346/)

The massacre is among the events that led to al-Nakba, or “the catastrophe,” when roughly 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes by armed Jewish groups seeking to establish the state of Israel.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/us/nakba-day-anniversary-palestinians/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deeply-and-increasingly-connected-to-israel

there is an israeli flag in every synagogue . this is what the support. it is NOT in US's interest. They are parasites.

Genocide

UN PLAN 1947
55% ISRAEL
44% PALESTINE
01% JERUSALEM

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CURRENT LAND USE TOTAL
91% ISRAEL
09% PALESTINE

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It’s a Genocide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not Jewish but an ally...

I am disturbed at how casual, smiling anti-semitism is now acceptable. It is now ok to assume, out loud, that any Jewish politician or journalist is biased and cannot do their jobs properly. It is now ok, in the public sphere, to call Jewish people liars and brainwashers and anti-American.

I am also distubured at how cleverness wins now, instead of logic and social science. Statements such as "well, the war didn't start on 10/7 so 10/7 was just another day in it" are said in the same breath as "ceasefire"...there is no logic here. Or, how Jewish people are just called "zionists" now, and that give you the right to call them evil, stupid, etc. Or that Palestinians deserve a state, now, because they have been angry since the 1940s. That's is, that is the reason. To stop their anger, we need to give them what they want.

The thing is that this isn't an "assumption". People come to these conclusions, not through top-down reasoning, but rather through bottom-up processing. Anyone watching or involved directly knows something isn't quite right. People in the military are given "talking points" and essentially told to fall in line and obey orders regarding discussions of Israel. They are not allowed to serve their country with their mind or conscience on this matter. They much simply obey.

Seriously, just go watch a few white house press conferences or DOD press conferences over the next couple of months. It's so clear that the US government is lying about what is going on here. Couple the lying with the highly Jewish character of the Biden cabinet, the Jeffrey Epstein debacle, the fact that many Jewish Pedophiles seek refuge in Israel, etc. and people are bound to draw certain conclusions.

If we want the anti-semitism to stop, we'll need some honest answers from our government. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

If this were true, then they should speak candidly and open debate on the matter - not seek to suppress it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A country doesn’t become our ally just because it takes billions of our dollars and buys our politicians. It may make us obvious stooges but that is neither friendship nor allyship.

Consider something crazy...maybe our politicians and diplomats have studied the issue and actually believe what they advocate for, and are not actually robots controlled by those awful Jews. They don't HAVE to be against Israel, as if being pro Israel is defying the laws of physics and going against gravity. Maybe, shockingly, they are doing what they want.

The diplomatic community as a whole detests the Israeli Government, which lies to them repeatedly, and most politicians believe they have no alternative but to support Israel because otherwise massive amounts of money will flow to other candidates to attack them. The main exceptions are right-wing evangelical Republicans who support Israel because they think its actions will hasten the end of days (i.e., the rapture), but these are not intelligent people.

You just don't like Jews. Every argument flows from this. I don't like Jews, they are liars. I don't like Jews, why the U.S. support Israel, I don't like them, so it doesn't make sense the country I live in supports them. I immigrated here, why doesn't the U.S. listen to me? I am an American now, listen to me!

+1

This poster has repeatedly made derogatory remarks about America and Americans.

They are apparently miserable here.

DP

This country was established on the backs of patriots challenging the abuses of those governing them. And you think you’re going to tell Americans today that we’re the problem for questioning the actions taken by our corrupt elected representatives and career officials in the federal government who unethically embrace their own conflicts of interest in shaping U.S. foreign policy?

That’s not happening. We may strongly object to what’s going on right now, but the only recourse is to hold our elected officials and corrupt officials in State, etc. accountable for their actions. We’re going nowhere, but there eventually will be a major change in U.S. foreign policy. It happens every few decades, and typically with far fewer citizens demanding it.

We can't hold them accountable. The two-party system and political money makes it so. Did you have a say in Harris being selected? As I recall, the DNC hid Biden's ailing health from all of us while pushing him through the primary process uncontested. 10-15% of people voted uncommitted in many states because we all saw through the lies. Then, when it was too late to do anything else, we now have a presidential candidate that received 0 delegates based on the people voting for her. This entire system needs to fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not Jewish but an ally...

I am disturbed at how casual, smiling anti-semitism is now acceptable. It is now ok to assume, out loud, that any Jewish politician or journalist is biased and cannot do their jobs properly. It is now ok, in the public sphere, to call Jewish people liars and brainwashers and anti-American.

I am also distubured at how cleverness wins now, instead of logic and social science. Statements such as "well, the war didn't start on 10/7 so 10/7 was just another day in it" are said in the same breath as "ceasefire"...there is no logic here. Or, how Jewish people are just called "zionists" now, and that give you the right to call them evil, stupid, etc. Or that Palestinians deserve a state, now, because they have been angry since the 1940s. That's is, that is the reason. To stop their anger, we need to give them what they want.

I don’t know who you are hanging out with that is saying these things in a casual smiling way. I don’t know anyone saying anything like that. Find better people to hang out with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

"According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. "


not just the left, most of the world feels this way.

anyone with eyes sees this happening.

the terror started in 1948, not 10/7

Or maybe the terror started in 1939?

Or maybe it goes back to the Rothschilds...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's come the point for many where the relationship between the political left and the Jewish community are increasingly at odds. According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. Outrageous and offensive comparisons to Apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany are common in these circles. More moderate liberals look the other way.

A lot of American Jews had an illusion that things are different here than in say, England or France. But I think that illusion was shattered in the last year with the surge in anti-Semitism.

While it doesn't mean Jews are conservative, I think the default position that the liberal-left are friends of Jews is eroding.

Anecdotally it seems the events of last year have strengthened Jewish identity.

"According to the left, Zionism is racism and Jews are "white settlers" who are committing genocide. "


not just the left, most of the world feels this way.

anyone with eyes sees this happening.

the terror started in 1948, not 10/7

Or maybe the terror started in 1939?

Or maybe it goes back to the Rothschilds...

We can play this game all day.