DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

[Anonymous]

This is disastrous. Georgia Ave has many residential side streets where people need to drive to get to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

lol what research?

and where are the limits here? we could remove all parking on Georgia and raise the speed limit to 60MPH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

Can you recommend to this non-biker the best bike rack for my car that will block my license plate?

Thule Trailways XT from Dick’s. If you have an SUV. Remove your front plate

I buy very used children’s bikes at garage sales and keep one on the rack at all times so no camera can capture the image of the back plate. If the bike gets stolen, NBD because it was $16. So far no one has stolen it although I leave it on the rack when parked on the street etc

Scofflaw driver.

This is true. I am tired of 25 mph on arterials. Now I don't have to go 24 to avoid tickets. I'm also tired of bus lanes without buses in them 22.75 hours a day. Now I can use these empty lanes with my car, just like I used to before the Vision Impossible bros took over DOT

If you don't want to obey the law when you drive, then you shouldn't drive.

I don’t like the new ridiculous law, so this is my solution. Not driving doesn’t work for me.

[Anonymous]

I think this makes sense. I also think we need to start shifting employment out of the city and to places more accessible to multiple modes of transit and the large suburban workforce.

Basically DC can do whatever it wants for its residents but my employer has to be batshit crazy to think I’m going to haul myself through multiple suburban and urban buses to sit in an office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The good news about the dedicated bus lane is that it DOES come with increased enforcement of laws - the cameras on buses will ticket the double parked scofflaws. Win win.

Can you recommend to this non-biker the best bike rack for my car that will block my license plate?

Thule Trailways XT from Dick’s. If you have an SUV. Remove your front plate

I buy very used children’s bikes at garage sales and keep one on the rack at all times so no camera can capture the image of the back plate. If the bike gets stolen, NBD because it was $16. So far no one has stolen it although I leave it on the rack when parked on the street etc

Scofflaw driver.

This is true. I am tired of 25 mph on arterials. Now I don't have to go 24 to avoid tickets. I'm also tired of bus lanes without buses in them 22.75 hours a day. Now I can use these empty lanes with my car, just like I used to before the Vision Impossible bros took over DOT

If you don't want to obey the law when you drive, then you shouldn't drive.

I don’t like the new ridiculous law, so this is my solution. Not driving doesn’t work for me.

Does everyone get to ignore any law that inconveniences them, or do you have a special dispensation from St. Get The F Out Of My Way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is proposing to reduce Georgia Avenue to single lane in each direction because they want to make the other lanes bus-only.

In the understatement of the year, DDOT says "current peak traffic volumes cannot be accommodated by a single lane of traffic" and "there will be increased travel times."

The obvious problems here are:

1. Georgia Avenue will become gridlocked, always

2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

3. If you live within a half mile of Georgia Avenue in either direction, you can expect an enormous increase in traffic on your street as tens of thousands of drivers cut through side streets to avoid Georgia Avenue.

4. The city says this is needed to reduce speeding. It's worth nothing that a grand total of 9 people in Washington DC were killed by speeding drivers in 2022, the latest year from the police statistics.

https://buspriority.ddot.dc.gov/pages/georgiaavenw

They want to reduce speeding? Speed cameras appear to be DC's tool of choice. Speeding isn't the problem for every move the city makes regarding street traffic. Totally lame move by DDOT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main problem with traffic on Georgia Avenue is the astounding number of people who double park. That's what makes traffic bad and forces drivers to constantly change lanes. It would be simpler/cheaper/easier to just have the police ticket everyone who double parks until drivers get the message. Traffic would move better for buses and cars alike.

Yes, but DDOT has lots of money to spend and is full of young ideologues so doing simple things like asking the police to enforce existing laws is SO BORING.

It's boring, old, and out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/4-year-old-hit-by-car-killed-dc-community-leaders-call-for-safety-upgrades/65-be28e901-0154-4cde-9df1-6677f4ca4235

WASHINGTON — The D.C. community is calling for safety upgrades along Georgia Avenue after a four-year-old Zy'aire Joshua was hit by a car and killed just before 3:30 p.m. Thursday (April 3, 2021) near the corner of Georgia Avenue and Kennedy Street, Northwest, according to D.C. Police.

“It's unsurprising in really, like, in the most heartbreaking of ways that something like this happened, because cars are just driving so fast," Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner for 4B02, Erin Palmer, said. "And that particular area is a pedestrian hub.”

Palmer thinks speed humps could help in some areas, but she said they can only request them for certain residential roads (local roads), not main thoroughfares (collector or arterial roads), like Georgia Avenue.

“So it really just feels like there's nothing available for those roads," Palmer said. "And I think what we're seeing neighborhood level is that cars are just going to drive the way they drive unless there's something in the street design that slows them down.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Georgia Avenue will become gridlocked, always

- Georgia Ave has been increasingly gridlocked since the removal of the streetcar system in DC. Eventually there is a limit to what the road can handle and we are very close to it already. This means that at some point there will need to be an alternative which brings me to…

2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

- many people ride the bus already and you don’t care about them at all so why should they care about you? If you want to sit in traffic then go ahead. Other people will choose to ride the bus.

3. If you live within a half mile of Georgia Avenue in either direction, you can expect an enormous increase in traffic on your street as tens of thousands of drivers cut through side streets to avoid Georgia Avenue.

- Good point. We should increase red zones and limit access to those side streets during key hours.

4. The city says this is needed to reduce speeding. It's worth nothing that a grand total of 9 people in Washington DC were killed by speeding drivers in 2022, the latest year from the police statistics.

- 9 people that should not have died. You seem ok with the loss of life. I’m sure that you assume it’s someone else so not your problem? But why should we make policy based on such a cold and heartless thought process?

https://buspriority.ddot.dc.gov/pages/georgiaavenw

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

Still waiting on an answer on this...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

DDOT is a factory of terrible ideas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Georgia Avenue will become gridlocked, always

- Georgia Ave has been increasingly gridlocked since the removal of the streetcar system in DC. Eventually there is a limit to what the road can handle and we are very close to it already. This means that at some point there will need to be an alternative which brings me to…

2. Very few people ride the bus, and this isn't going to change that.

- many people ride the bus already and you don’t care about them at all so why should they care about you? If you want to sit in traffic then go ahead. Other people will choose to ride the bus.

3. If you live within a half mile of Georgia Avenue in either direction, you can expect an enormous increase in traffic on your street as tens of thousands of drivers cut through side streets to avoid Georgia Avenue.

- Good point. We should increase red zones and limit access to those side streets during key hours.

4. The city says this is needed to reduce speeding. It's worth nothing that a grand total of 9 people in Washington DC were killed by speeding drivers in 2022, the latest year from the police statistics.

- 9 people that should not have died. You seem ok with the loss of life. I’m sure that you assume it’s someone else so not your problem? But why should we make policy based on such a cold and heartless thought process?

https://buspriority.ddot.dc.gov/pages/georgiaavenw

Here's the number of deaths each year in DC caused by speeding drivers (per the police). Please point out when the many, many, many traffic calming measures the city has implemented started reducing traffic deaths.

2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 9
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11
2012: 5
2011: 15
2010: 8

Still waiting on an answer on this...

No, you aren't. Multiple posters have explained to you, on multiple threads, over at least the past year, where your premise is nonsense. And yet you keep repeating it. A+ for persistence, I guess.