Arlington Donaldson Run MM Triplex

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that many people care about this issue because the turnout for the democratic primary was pitiful, even though anti-MM candidates were running. I have to believe most people don't care. What could be easier than mailing in an absentee ballot???

Again, the developers have stacked the deck with all these renters voting for their “chance at a house”.

But not that many people voted, period. I don't think that many people care one way or another.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that many people care about this issue because the turnout for the democratic primary was pitiful, even though anti-MM candidates were running. I have to believe most people don't care. What could be easier than mailing in an absentee ballot???

Again, the developers have stacked the deck with all these renters voting for their “chance at a house”.

But not that many people voted, period. I don't think that many people care one way or another.

I voted, but will admit that I forgot about it until the last minute despite the billion yard signs and texts. It feels like the elections are never ending in Arlington (and I say this as someone who worked professionally on campaigns for many cycles). I am not trying to make excuses— just suggesting it’s not solely a referendum on MM

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Anonymous wrote:There are going to be expensive townhomes by any standard, and brand new. I think you will find young couples and young families looking to be in a nice quiet neighborhood with good schools. Bros aren’t interested in Donaldson Run and it’s a pretty lame location for a party house.

Here’s how it goes down, the brand new townhouse is bought by a young couple with a baby. Within four years, they’ve outgrown it and realize that living with three stories, or four stories and no yard will not work with their preschooler and the second baby.

They will then decide it is a great investment and decide to rent it out for the next 20 years, which point it will become a tenant house and will very very soon become a group house, it only takes one instance to become a direct group house, and then the individual members move in and out, and it never dies like a cancer.

Most people buying a townhouse in that price point can't afford to hold the townhouse as a rental after just 4 years and then also buy a SFH. You're going to give yourself an ulcer with these crazy scenarios.

If it were me, I would be concerned about the plexes being rentals with high turnover. That I get. But consider yourself lucky if your neighborhood gets a few luxury townhomes.

We lived in a townhouse rental, this is exactly how it goes down. What do you mean can’t afford?! The rent covers a huge part of the cost.

You lived in a townhome that had been bought for well over a million dollars 4 years prior? And then the owner rented i5 to you and spent 2 million on a SFH?

The townhouse cost $980k, but I don’t know how much their house cost because I mailed my checks to an LLC PO BOX. But the realtor told me that they lived in a house in Lyon Park.

So you don't really know anything about these people. It's kinda weird that you rented a townhouse but aren't ok with other people renting a townhouse near you.

I was walkable to metro, it was part of the urban village model. MM just passed, of course it wasn’t the random townhouse in the burbs scenario.

The entire complex was rentals, about 60% group homes, it’s not like i interview the owners of each of them.

I don't know what to tell you, I personally think the poster's scenario of people spending 1.5ish million for a luxury townhome in North Arlington and then renting it out as a group home in 4 years while they move up to a single family home is very far-fetched.

Again, they probably won’t rent it out immediately as a group home, but it will become one eventually. Have you seen the incomes of people, no idea why you are so obsessed about it being $1.5M — that’s a starter home in Arlington. And people rent out their starter homes all the time.

“Luxury” is a meaningless phrase, I mean Luxury TOWNHOUSE, these are builder grade stick built townhouses, not Brooklyn brownstones.

I am not obsessed, I am sharing what the likely price of the homes will be and saying they will not be rented out in 4 years like the poster upthread suggested. I don't know why you are arguing with me when it sounds like you agree.

I’m that poster. They will rent it out, probably to a couple at first, and then over the years it becomes a group home (usually during a recession, when renters can be hard to find, or the house needs a new roof). It just won’t be step one: group house, but that will be final step.

So it will be the same as SFH rentals at the end of their useful life, but you are upset bc it's more units per lot?

You are being deliberately obtuse. A old SFH eventually gets torn down and a new build replaces it.

Buying 3+ fee simple townhouses is a much more complicated and expensive process

MM could have made sense if they put a moratorium on renting — any increase in density should be for owners desiring to put roots in these neighborhoods, not for landlords to triple their profit.

And there should have been heavy fee for conversion to MM units to cover the additional costs for education, water management, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:There are going to be expensive townhomes by any standard, and brand new. I think you will find young couples and young families looking to be in a nice quiet neighborhood with good schools. Bros aren’t interested in Donaldson Run and it’s a pretty lame location for a party house.

Here’s how it goes down, the brand new townhouse is bought by a young couple with a baby. Within four years, they’ve outgrown it and realize that living with three stories, or four stories and no yard will not work with their preschooler and the second baby.

They will then decide it is a great investment and decide to rent it out for the next 20 years, which point it will become a tenant house and will very very soon become a group house, it only takes one instance to become a direct group house, and then the individual members move in and out, and it never dies like a cancer.

Most people buying a townhouse in that price point can't afford to hold the townhouse as a rental after just 4 years and then also buy a SFH. You're going to give yourself an ulcer with these crazy scenarios.

If it were me, I would be concerned about the plexes being rentals with high turnover. That I get. But consider yourself lucky if your neighborhood gets a few luxury townhomes.

We lived in a townhouse rental, this is exactly how it goes down. What do you mean can’t afford?! The rent covers a huge part of the cost.

You lived in a townhome that had been bought for well over a million dollars 4 years prior? And then the owner rented i5 to you and spent 2 million on a SFH?

The townhouse cost $980k, but I don’t know how much their house cost because I mailed my checks to an LLC PO BOX. But the realtor told me that they lived in a house in Lyon Park.

So you don't really know anything about these people. It's kinda weird that you rented a townhouse but aren't ok with other people renting a townhouse near you.

I was walkable to metro, it was part of the urban village model. MM just passed, of course it wasn’t the random townhouse in the burbs scenario.

The entire complex was rentals, about 60% group homes, it’s not like i interview the owners of each of them.

I don't know what to tell you, I personally think the poster's scenario of people spending 1.5ish million for a luxury townhome in North Arlington and then renting it out as a group home in 4 years while they move up to a single family home is very far-fetched.

Again, they probably won’t rent it out immediately as a group home, but it will become one eventually. Have you seen the incomes of people, no idea why you are so obsessed about it being $1.5M — that’s a starter home in Arlington. And people rent out their starter homes all the time.

“Luxury” is a meaningless phrase, I mean Luxury TOWNHOUSE, these are builder grade stick built townhouses, not Brooklyn brownstones.

I am not obsessed, I am sharing what the likely price of the homes will be and saying they will not be rented out in 4 years like the poster upthread suggested. I don't know why you are arguing with me when it sounds like you agree.

I’m that poster. They will rent it out, probably to a couple at first, and then over the years it becomes a group home (usually during a recession, when renters can be hard to find, or the house needs a new roof). It just won’t be step one: group house, but that will be final step.

So it will be the same as SFH rentals at the end of their useful life, but you are upset bc it's more units per lot?

You are being deliberately obtuse. A old SFH eventually gets torn down and a new build replaces it.

Buying 3+ fee simple townhouses is a much more complicated and expensive process

MM could have made sense if they put a moratorium on renting — any increase in density should be for owners desiring to put roots in these neighborhoods, not for landlords to triple their profit.

And there should have been heavy fee for conversion to MM units to cover the additional costs for education, water management, etc.

It's probably not legal under Virginia law for Arlington County to restrict rentals in the way you have described.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that many people care about this issue because the turnout for the democratic primary was pitiful, even though anti-MM candidates were running. I have to believe most people don't care. What could be easier than mailing in an absentee ballot???

Again, the developers have stacked the deck with all these renters voting for their “chance at a house”.

But not that many people voted, period. I don't think that many people care one way or another.

I voted, but will admit that I forgot about it until the last minute despite the billion yard signs and texts. It feels like the elections are never ending in Arlington (and I say this as someone who worked professionally on campaigns for many cycles). I am not trying to make excuses— just suggesting it’s not solely a referendum on MM

Fair. It just seems so easy for any citizen who is minimally internet-savvy to request an absentee ballot and return it by mail.

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Anonymous wrote:There are going to be expensive townhomes by any standard, and brand new. I think you will find young couples and young families looking to be in a nice quiet neighborhood with good schools. Bros aren’t interested in Donaldson Run and it’s a pretty lame location for a party house.

Here’s how it goes down, the brand new townhouse is bought by a young couple with a baby. Within four years, they’ve outgrown it and realize that living with three stories, or four stories and no yard will not work with their preschooler and the second baby.

They will then decide it is a great investment and decide to rent it out for the next 20 years, which point it will become a tenant house and will very very soon become a group house, it only takes one instance to become a direct group house, and then the individual members move in and out, and it never dies like a cancer.

Most people buying a townhouse in that price point can't afford to hold the townhouse as a rental after just 4 years and then also buy a SFH. You're going to give yourself an ulcer with these crazy scenarios.

If it were me, I would be concerned about the plexes being rentals with high turnover. That I get. But consider yourself lucky if your neighborhood gets a few luxury townhomes.

We lived in a townhouse rental, this is exactly how it goes down. What do you mean can’t afford?! The rent covers a huge part of the cost.

You lived in a townhome that had been bought for well over a million dollars 4 years prior? And then the owner rented i5 to you and spent 2 million on a SFH?

The townhouse cost $980k, but I don’t know how much their house cost because I mailed my checks to an LLC PO BOX. But the realtor told me that they lived in a house in Lyon Park.

So you don't really know anything about these people. It's kinda weird that you rented a townhouse but aren't ok with other people renting a townhouse near you.

I was walkable to metro, it was part of the urban village model. MM just passed, of course it wasn’t the random townhouse in the burbs scenario.

The entire complex was rentals, about 60% group homes, it’s not like i interview the owners of each of them.

I don't know what to tell you, I personally think the poster's scenario of people spending 1.5ish million for a luxury townhome in North Arlington and then renting it out as a group home in 4 years while they move up to a single family home is very far-fetched.

Again, they probably won’t rent it out immediately as a group home, but it will become one eventually. Have you seen the incomes of people, no idea why you are so obsessed about it being $1.5M — that’s a starter home in Arlington. And people rent out their starter homes all the time.

“Luxury” is a meaningless phrase, I mean Luxury TOWNHOUSE, these are builder grade stick built townhouses, not Brooklyn brownstones.

I am not obsessed, I am sharing what the likely price of the homes will be and saying they will not be rented out in 4 years like the poster upthread suggested. I don't know why you are arguing with me when it sounds like you agree.

I’m that poster. They will rent it out, probably to a couple at first, and then over the years it becomes a group home (usually during a recession, when renters can be hard to find, or the house needs a new roof). It just won’t be step one: group house, but that will be final step.

So it will be the same as SFH rentals at the end of their useful life, but you are upset bc it's more units per lot?

You are being deliberately obtuse. A old SFH eventually gets torn down and a new build replaces it.

Buying 3+ fee simple townhouses is a much more complicated and expensive process

MM could have made sense if they put a moratorium on renting — any increase in density should be for owners desiring to put roots in these neighborhoods, not for landlords to triple their profit.

And there should have been heavy fee for conversion to MM units to cover the additional costs for education, water management, etc.

It's probably not legal under Virginia law for Arlington County to restrict rentals in the way you have described.

Probably, but laws can change.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that many people care about this issue because the turnout for the democratic primary was pitiful, even though anti-MM candidates were running. I have to believe most people don't care. What could be easier than mailing in an absentee ballot???

Again, the developers have stacked the deck with all these renters voting for their “chance at a house”.

But not that many people voted, period. I don't think that many people care one way or another.

I voted, but will admit that I forgot about it until the last minute despite the billion yard signs and texts. It feels like the elections are never ending in Arlington (and I say this as someone who worked professionally on campaigns for many cycles). I am not trying to make excuses— just suggesting it’s not solely a referendum on MM

Fair. It just seems so easy for any citizen who is minimally internet-savvy to request an absentee ballot and return it by mail.

I mean turning over MM will take huge effort. It should have been a county wide referendum, not some weasel county vote. Arlington way my a$$.

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Anonymous wrote:There are going to be expensive townhomes by any standard, and brand new. I think you will find young couples and young families looking to be in a nice quiet neighborhood with good schools. Bros aren’t interested in Donaldson Run and it’s a pretty lame location for a party house.

Here’s how it goes down, the brand new townhouse is bought by a young couple with a baby. Within four years, they’ve outgrown it and realize that living with three stories, or four stories and no yard will not work with their preschooler and the second baby.

They will then decide it is a great investment and decide to rent it out for the next 20 years, which point it will become a tenant house and will very very soon become a group house, it only takes one instance to become a direct group house, and then the individual members move in and out, and it never dies like a cancer.

Most people buying a townhouse in that price point can't afford to hold the townhouse as a rental after just 4 years and then also buy a SFH. You're going to give yourself an ulcer with these crazy scenarios.

If it were me, I would be concerned about the plexes being rentals with high turnover. That I get. But consider yourself lucky if your neighborhood gets a few luxury townhomes.

We lived in a townhouse rental, this is exactly how it goes down. What do you mean can’t afford?! The rent covers a huge part of the cost.

You lived in a townhome that had been bought for well over a million dollars 4 years prior? And then the owner rented i5 to you and spent 2 million on a SFH?

The townhouse cost $980k, but I don’t know how much their house cost because I mailed my checks to an LLC PO BOX. But the realtor told me that they lived in a house in Lyon Park.

So you don't really know anything about these people. It's kinda weird that you rented a townhouse but aren't ok with other people renting a townhouse near you.

I was walkable to metro, it was part of the urban village model. MM just passed, of course it wasn’t the random townhouse in the burbs scenario.

The entire complex was rentals, about 60% group homes, it’s not like i interview the owners of each of them.

I don't know what to tell you, I personally think the poster's scenario of people spending 1.5ish million for a luxury townhome in North Arlington and then renting it out as a group home in 4 years while they move up to a single family home is very far-fetched.

Again, they probably won’t rent it out immediately as a group home, but it will become one eventually. Have you seen the incomes of people, no idea why you are so obsessed about it being $1.5M — that’s a starter home in Arlington. And people rent out their starter homes all the time.

“Luxury” is a meaningless phrase, I mean Luxury TOWNHOUSE, these are builder grade stick built townhouses, not Brooklyn brownstones.

I am not obsessed, I am sharing what the likely price of the homes will be and saying they will not be rented out in 4 years like the poster upthread suggested. I don't know why you are arguing with me when it sounds like you agree.

I’m that poster. They will rent it out, probably to a couple at first, and then over the years it becomes a group home (usually during a recession, when renters can be hard to find, or the house needs a new roof). It just won’t be step one: group house, but that will be final step.

So it will be the same as SFH rentals at the end of their useful life, but you are upset bc it's more units per lot?

You are being deliberately obtuse. A old SFH eventually gets torn down and a new build replaces it.

Buying 3+ fee simple townhouses is a much more complicated and expensive process

MM could have made sense if they put a moratorium on renting — any increase in density should be for owners desiring to put roots in these neighborhoods, not for landlords to triple their profit.

And there should have been heavy fee for conversion to MM units to cover the additional costs for education, water management, etc.

It's probably not legal under Virginia law for Arlington County to restrict rentals in the way you have described.

Probably, but laws can change.

Now who is being deliberately obtuse...

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Anonymous wrote:There are going to be expensive townhomes by any standard, and brand new. I think you will find young couples and young families looking to be in a nice quiet neighborhood with good schools. Bros aren’t interested in Donaldson Run and it’s a pretty lame location for a party house.

Here’s how it goes down, the brand new townhouse is bought by a young couple with a baby. Within four years, they’ve outgrown it and realize that living with three stories, or four stories and no yard will not work with their preschooler and the second baby.

They will then decide it is a great investment and decide to rent it out for the next 20 years, which point it will become a tenant house and will very very soon become a group house, it only takes one instance to become a direct group house, and then the individual members move in and out, and it never dies like a cancer.

Most people buying a townhouse in that price point can't afford to hold the townhouse as a rental after just 4 years and then also buy a SFH. You're going to give yourself an ulcer with these crazy scenarios.

If it were me, I would be concerned about the plexes being rentals with high turnover. That I get. But consider yourself lucky if your neighborhood gets a few luxury townhomes.

We lived in a townhouse rental, this is exactly how it goes down. What do you mean can’t afford?! The rent covers a huge part of the cost.

You lived in a townhome that had been bought for well over a million dollars 4 years prior? And then the owner rented i5 to you and spent 2 million on a SFH?

The townhouse cost $980k, but I don’t know how much their house cost because I mailed my checks to an LLC PO BOX. But the realtor told me that they lived in a house in Lyon Park.

So you don't really know anything about these people. It's kinda weird that you rented a townhouse but aren't ok with other people renting a townhouse near you.

I was walkable to metro, it was part of the urban village model. MM just passed, of course it wasn’t the random townhouse in the burbs scenario.

The entire complex was rentals, about 60% group homes, it’s not like i interview the owners of each of them.

I don't know what to tell you, I personally think the poster's scenario of people spending 1.5ish million for a luxury townhome in North Arlington and then renting it out as a group home in 4 years while they move up to a single family home is very far-fetched.

Again, they probably won’t rent it out immediately as a group home, but it will become one eventually. Have you seen the incomes of people, no idea why you are so obsessed about it being $1.5M — that’s a starter home in Arlington. And people rent out their starter homes all the time.

“Luxury” is a meaningless phrase, I mean Luxury TOWNHOUSE, these are builder grade stick built townhouses, not Brooklyn brownstones.

I am not obsessed, I am sharing what the likely price of the homes will be and saying they will not be rented out in 4 years like the poster upthread suggested. I don't know why you are arguing with me when it sounds like you agree.

I’m that poster. They will rent it out, probably to a couple at first, and then over the years it becomes a group home (usually during a recession, when renters can be hard to find, or the house needs a new roof). It just won’t be step one: group house, but that will be final step.

So it will be the same as SFH rentals at the end of their useful life, but you are upset bc it's more units per lot?

You are being deliberately obtuse. A old SFH eventually gets torn down and a new build replaces it.

Buying 3+ fee simple townhouses is a much more complicated and expensive process

MM could have made sense if they put a moratorium on renting — any increase in density should be for owners desiring to put roots in these neighborhoods, not for landlords to triple their profit.

And there should have been heavy fee for conversion to MM units to cover the additional costs for education, water management, etc.

It's probably not legal under Virginia law for Arlington County to restrict rentals in the way you have described.

Probably, but laws can change.

Now who is being deliberately obtuse...

Huh? MM is a new law. Tenant laws can be updated as well. But I said “probably” acknowledging it is a current likely limitation.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

No MM rentals will essentially spread like a plague. You drop an MM with 3 group houses in a neighborhood, suddenly the marketability of surrounding homes to families drops, and the owners will be incentivized to move away — and the most ready buyer will be another MM builder.

They want to scatter them like spores throughout the county, and watch as families flee — parents moved away from DC and the party scene for a reason, and we are importing it into the family oriented suburbs.

Final death knell for APS as well, families will just move across the line to McLean and leave this idiocy behind.

I mean I know if they tore down our neighbors house, and built a triplex populated by group homes with 4 guys, we are moving our daughters elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think that many people care about this issue because the turnout for the democratic primary was pitiful, even though anti-MM candidates were running. I have to believe most people don't care. What could be easier than mailing in an absentee ballot???

Again, the developers have stacked the deck with all these renters voting for their “chance at a house”.

Renters don’t turn out for county board primaries. If MM was so unpopular, Roy should’ve been a slam dunk.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

No MM rentals will essentially spread like a plague. You drop an MM with 3 group houses in a neighborhood, suddenly the marketability of surrounding homes to families drops, and the owners will be incentivized to move away — and the most ready buyer will be another MM builder.

They want to scatter them like spores throughout the county, and watch as families flee — parents moved away from DC and the party scene for a reason, and we are importing it into the family oriented suburbs.

Final death knell for APS as well, families will just move across the line to McLean and leave this idiocy behind.

I mean I know if they tore down our neighbors house, and built a triplex populated by group homes with 4 guys, we are moving our daughters elsewhere.

Idk- people are willing to spend around 2 million to live a block off of Langston and adjacent to gas stations, strip malls, parks with overhead lights, and even small apartment buildings. I don't see why a 3 unit townhouse is worse than any of these things. You may want to move, but that's not everyone.