Arlington Donaldson Run MM Triplex

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

No MM rentals will essentially spread like a plague. You drop an MM with 3 group houses in a neighborhood, suddenly the marketability of surrounding homes to families drops, and the owners will be incentivized to move away — and the most ready buyer will be another MM builder.

They want to scatter them like spores throughout the county, and watch as families flee — parents moved away from DC and the party scene for a reason, and we are importing it into the family oriented suburbs.

Final death knell for APS as well, families will just move across the line to McLean and leave this idiocy behind.

I mean I know if they tore down our neighbors house, and built a triplex populated by group homes with 4 guys, we are moving our daughters elsewhere.

Baseless hysteria. There just aren’t that many permits per year.

Young people don’t want group homes away from the action. Your daughters are safe.

Are you kidding, if for the same rent they can get a townhouse with a yard to host BBQ and watch parties until all hours for the same price as a Clarndon apartment, that is only a 5 min uber from the "action"?

Yes. You clearly didn’t live here in your 20s.

A few people had group homes farther out but most tried to be walking distance.

I don’t get the obsession with group homes. That isn’t the target market here.

Are you in your 20s? Because they Uber everywhere now.

And we cabbed everywhere that wasn't right in walking distance.

Don't worry. The bros don't want to live out in BFE.

You are so out of touch. Cabs??

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Which lobbyists were pushing for both MM in Arlington AND the PW data center?

MM was never about “affordable housing”.

Yes it was about "affordable housing" they just changed the words used to make it sound more appealing. Yes, the concoction industry, and real estate industry are involved in all of these projects. The large publicly traded construction companies do residential and commercial. They also use the same group of aggressive land use lawyers and consultations.

It was never about “affordable housing”. You do know that means something specific, right? It was about increasing density and opening up more options that aren’t McMansions.

Which large publicly-traded companies were lobbying for Arlington MM?

The Northern Virginia Association of Relators donated money to the Arlington Board Political campaigns. This is a lobbyist front group for the real estate industry. The other large contributors to the campaign are of course the labor unions. They love unregulated zoning because it increases their union dues and could care less about destroying Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

No MM rentals will essentially spread like a plague. You drop an MM with 3 group houses in a neighborhood, suddenly the marketability of surrounding homes to families drops, and the owners will be incentivized to move away — and the most ready buyer will be another MM builder.

They want to scatter them like spores throughout the county, and watch as families flee — parents moved away from DC and the party scene for a reason, and we are importing it into the family oriented suburbs.

Final death knell for APS as well, families will just move across the line to McLean and leave this idiocy behind.

I mean I know if they tore down our neighbors house, and built a triplex populated by group homes with 4 guys, we are moving our daughters elsewhere.

Baseless hysteria. There just aren’t that many permits per year.

Young people don’t want group homes away from the action. Your daughters are safe.

Are you kidding, if for the same rent they can get a townhouse with a yard to host BBQ and watch parties until all hours for the same price as a Clarndon apartment, that is only a 5 min uber from the "action"?

Yes. You clearly didn’t live here in your 20s.

A few people had group homes farther out but most tried to be walking distance.

I don’t get the obsession with group homes. That isn’t the target market here.

Are you in your 20s? Because they Uber everywhere now.

And we cabbed everywhere that wasn't right in walking distance.

Don't worry. The bros don't want to live out in BFE.

You are so out of touch. Cabs??

Sorry that you’re having a hard time following. Cabs were the Ubers before Ubers were a thing. Uber didn’t suddenly make people mobile.

Young people like to be close to the action, not out in BFE with slow-witted NIMBYs.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Which lobbyists were pushing for both MM in Arlington AND the PW data center?

MM was never about “affordable housing”.

Yes it was about "affordable housing" they just changed the words used to make it sound more appealing. Yes, the concoction industry, and real estate industry are involved in all of these projects. The large publicly traded construction companies do residential and commercial. They also use the same group of aggressive land use lawyers and consultations.

It was never about “affordable housing”. You do know that means something specific, right? It was about increasing density and opening up more options that aren’t McMansions.

Which large publicly-traded companies were lobbying for Arlington MM?

The Northern Virginia Association of Relators donated money to the Arlington Board Political campaigns. This is a lobbyist front group for the real estate industry. The other large contributors to the campaign are of course the labor unions. They love unregulated zoning because it increases their union dues and could care less about destroying Arlington.

So no “large publicly traded construction companies”?

[Anonymous]

Our future:

https://www.epa.gov/heatislands#:~:text=Urban%2520areas%252C%2520where%2520these%2520structures,2%252D5%C2%B0F%2520higher.

So much ignorance, selfishness, greed and envy, behind MM.

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Anonymous wrote:Our future:

https://www.epa.gov/heatislands#:~:text=Urban%2520areas%252C%2520where%2520these%2520structures,2%252D5%C2%B0F%2520higher.

So much ignorance, selfishness, greed and envy, behind MM.

To fight heat, you should support increasing setbacks applicable to all homes, including SFHs. I would also like to see Arlington limit the amount of impervious surface on a lot. SFHs are the biggest offenders when it comes to the destruction of trees and loss of permeable area.

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

This is the most smug, dismissive, out of touch, white progressive answer that you could have posted.

Impressive, really.

Have to subtract a point for acknowledging that after all this it likely won’t make any positive impact.

9/10

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Anonymous wrote:Certainly everyone has different opinions. And change can be difficult. Also it seems more related to interest rates, in my neighborhood, we are seeing SFHs rented out, sometimes by heirs (often to families, not group homes)

I personally see so many positives to allowing builders more flexibility to build what buyers want to buy.

There is significantly more demand for the $1-1.5M new build than the $2-3M+ new build with 7 bedrooms.

You have been fooled by the "affordable housing" advocates funded by the developers and real estate lobby. Most of these units not provide ownership opportunities for Arlington residents. They will be rentals that are sold to wealthy investors. Builder/Developers don't care about the middle class homeownership or quality of life for Arlington residents. They will gladly destroy Arlington to make money. They want to remove every reasonable development standard imposed by the county regardless of how it harms the overall health and welfare of residents. The only thing they care about it money. Remember these are the same lobbyists that were claiming that approving the Prince William Digital Gateway (the worlds largest data center project that will create massive amounts of pollution) is a "social justice" issue.

Idk, even if Arlington is "ruined" according to the MM opponents, that will take years. Won't most of your all's kids be out of the house by then? Nobody actually wants to retire and live here unless they have to, right? I feel like you can get out before this place goes to hell in a handbasket (according to your definition of hell).

The number of MM properties is limited so we can see how it goes. If it's a disaster we can change it. But sprinkling a small number of MF units across the county isn't going to make a huge impact on the market.

The whole "hell in a handbasket" shtick is election year faux hysteria.

And this is a very transitional area. It's not a big deal if most MM units are rentals.

No MM rentals will essentially spread like a plague. You drop an MM with 3 group houses in a neighborhood, suddenly the marketability of surrounding homes to families drops, and the owners will be incentivized to move away — and the most ready buyer will be another MM builder.

They want to scatter them like spores throughout the county, and watch as families flee — parents moved away from DC and the party scene for a reason, and we are importing it into the family oriented suburbs.

Final death knell for APS as well, families will just move across the line to McLean and leave this idiocy behind.

I mean I know if they tore down our neighbors house, and built a triplex populated by group homes with 4 guys, we are moving our daughters elsewhere.

Baseless hysteria. There just aren’t that many permits per year.

Young people don’t want group homes away from the action. Your daughters are safe.

Are you kidding, if for the same rent they can get a townhouse with a yard to host BBQ and watch parties until all hours for the same price as a Clarndon apartment, that is only a 5 min uber from the "action"?

Yes. You clearly didn’t live here in your 20s.

A few people had group homes farther out but most tried to be walking distance.

I don’t get the obsession with group homes. That isn’t the target market here.

Are you in your 20s? Because they Uber everywhere now.

And we cabbed everywhere that wasn't right in walking distance.

Don't worry. The bros don't want to live out in BFE.

You are so out of touch. Cabs??

Sorry that you’re having a hard time following. Cabs were the Ubers before Ubers were a thing. Uber didn’t suddenly make people mobile.

Young people like to be close to the action, not out in BFE with slow-witted NIMBYs.

The slow witted people that can afford houses?

Your are adorbs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our future:

https://www.epa.gov/heatislands#:~:text=Urban%2520areas%252C%2520where%2520these%2520structures,2%252D5%C2%B0F%2520higher.

So much ignorance, selfishness, greed and envy, behind MM.

To fight heat, you should support increasing setbacks applicable to all homes, including SFHs. I would also like to see Arlington limit the amount of impervious surface on a lot. SFHs are the biggest offenders when it comes to the destruction of trees and loss of permeable area.

I think most current Arlington residents agree that the tree cover should not be reduced any further, for huge SFHs or for multiplexes.

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Anonymous wrote:This lot is just crying out for a 6-plex. Totally fits the lot and neighborhood and is soooo convenient to transit. What a great choice Arlington County Board!!! Thanks so much for making it possible!!

https://redf.in/Cqyjaf

It's 2 blocks from the ART bus, which can then take someone 1 mile to Ballston metro. There are other bus lines on Glebe, but I think ART to Metro is the most likely scenario.

No one buying a million dollar townhouse is wasting so many hours taking the ART to Metro.

PP linked to a lot that's been approved for a 6 plex. That building is going to be a rental full of 1-2 bedroom units.

Wait, WHAT?

Yeah it says it's approved for a 6 unit multifamily building on Arlington's tracker. Anything above 3 units is likely to be a rental building. Nobody is setting up a condo for 4-6 units.

They did on Langston.

Where?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how people are losing their minds over one three-unit townhouse complex on their street. I'm in the Penrose neighborhood (South Arlington) and we are the epitome of Missing Middle. On my street we have old duplexes, old apartment buildings of various sizes, subsidized apartments, a large apartment complex, and older single family houses. I'm living in an eight-plex and somehow all of us in the neighborhood are getting along just fine. You take this same concept north of the Langston Blvd are people are going nuts about it.

You chose to live there. People living in Donaldson Run chose another way of living. Now your type of living is being foisted on them. Get it?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how people are losing their minds over one three-unit townhouse complex on their street. I'm in the Penrose neighborhood (South Arlington) and we are the epitome of Missing Middle. On my street we have old duplexes, old apartment buildings of various sizes, subsidized apartments, a large apartment complex, and older single family houses. I'm living in an eight-plex and somehow all of us in the neighborhood are getting along just fine. You take this same concept north of the Langston Blvd are people are going nuts about it.

You chose to live there. People living in Donaldson Run chose another way of living. Now your type of living is being foisted on them. Get it?

Did they really? Did everyone in Donaldson Run vote for anti-housing candidates over the past 10 years, or did they just believe the housing debate would never come to their neighborhood? Hint: if you voted for any Democrat county board candidates in the last 10 years, you voted for people running on a pro-housing platform.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how people are losing their minds over one three-unit townhouse complex on their street. I'm in the Penrose neighborhood (South Arlington) and we are the epitome of Missing Middle. On my street we have old duplexes, old apartment buildings of various sizes, subsidized apartments, a large apartment complex, and older single family houses. I'm living in an eight-plex and somehow all of us in the neighborhood are getting along just fine. You take this same concept north of the Langston Blvd are people are going nuts about it.

You chose to live there. People living in Donaldson Run chose another way of living. Now your type of living is being foisted on them. Get it?

Did they also choose to live next to giant new construction houses? Or next to group houses where The Youth hold loud parties outside year-round? Because that's what some of us are getting already.

The small apartment buildings down the street aren't a problem, and they've been there for decades. The anti-MM/EHO people probably don't mention them because they don't notice them.

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The lawsuit is likely to prevail or at least tie up projects for awhile. All of the approved EHO plans are on hold until the suit is settled. We have an approved project on our street for a six plex and the builder told me he
will either sell the approved plans when the suit is settled (that's another moneymaker the Arlington County Board did not consider) or build the project and sell it to an investor or hold it for passive income. Three young guys moved into the house with a one year lease so it looks like they don't expect the suit to be settled soon.

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Anonymous wrote:This lot is just crying out for a 6-plex. Totally fits the lot and neighborhood and is soooo convenient to transit. What a great choice Arlington County Board!!! Thanks so much for making it possible!!

https://redf.in/Cqyjaf

It's 2 blocks from the ART bus, which can then take someone 1 mile to Ballston metro. There are other bus lines on Glebe, but I think ART to Metro is the most likely scenario.

And a grocery store? Coffee shop? You can pretend to justify it however you'd like, but every adult living in that building is going to have a car and drive.

Your initial comment was that this lot isn't convenient to transit. It's actually very convenient for someone commuting to the Ballston Metro. I was replying to what you wrote, not the secret gripes you had in your head.

Yeah, that secret need for food. I totally made up that people who live in apartments need to eat, as well as commute to work.

It's a stupid location for a 6 unit building. Density should be near transit hubs and amenities not in the middle of neighborhoods.

Well if nobody wants to live in these locations because they are "stupid," then you don't have to worry. Sounds like you have it all figured out!

It's not clear that these are selling. MM has cooled substantially. But at least some folks will be the unlucky neighbors who will have to live next to an apartment building crammed onto a lot sized for a SFH.

The “community workers” (teachers, police, nurses, etc) don’t want these crummy apartments or stacked townhouse — those have been options for decades. They want SFH just like almost everyone else.

This just crams in 20 something dinks or group houses into SFH — hope you like the wafting smell of pot and malt liquor in the morning.

People like you infuriate me because this is the kind of talk that makes the MM opponents look crazy. I think the plan that was passed was too extreme but I was embarrassed by comments like yours during all the public comment periods.

DP. I think community workers would be interested in the type of housing MM will build. However, I don’t think they will be able to afford the type of housing that is built and there are no affordability measures in MM. My brother is a cop and he would have had a better chance affording the crappy house developers bought for 900k then the 1.3M townhouses that will replace it. And anything larger than a triplex is likely to be a rental.