Time off request rejected

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Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

My job isn't like that. We do not have meetings on Fridays and the only work is the same work we always do. We don't have any special deadlines coming up. Many other people do what I do and extra hours are given if someone takes off, which is why I thought it was best to give some notice so someone else could take my hours. So no, it's just about the petty "two week notice" aspect. Now I can see if I were a frequent flyer at this but it is literally the very first time I ask for a personal day.

If they’re going to be petty, you can be petty too. Just call out sick. Disrespectful people don’t deserve your respect.

I am going to do that I think. I absolutely hate lying, especially since my managers will know this is totally fake and I am not sick. But at the same time what do they expect me to do exactly after rejecting my request?

Why are you so resistant to having a conversation with your manager about the time off? You say they are second in line to HR, but as your manager it is their job to go to bat for you and send HR an email saying it was cleared by them. Seems like a big step to go straight to faking a sick day that they will know about. Ask them what is so important that they can't give you the day off, and see if there is a way to come to an agreement. If they blow you off, that's an answer in and of itself.

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Because I don't think they care. They manage huge teams of people and we don't know each other physically. There is nothing important or a good reason for not giving me a day off, so it's pretty clear where they stand. I don't want to make needless waves.

For crying out loud stop being a wet noodle and go talk to the one you are the closest too. Stop speculating and feeling sorry for yourself. Stop making excuses. If they are jerks to your face and have no good reason for denying your time off, then at least you had the discussion and know exactly where you stand.

Their reason was very clear: I did not ask soon enough. The decision was endorsed by all the managers in the email I received. So why would I go and beg for explanations or a change of mind? They made it pretty clear it was a no. We (not just me, all employees and managers) communicate only about work and the tone at work is extremely dry and business-like. I really have no reason to think based on past interaction that asking would help at all. My lesson was that honesty does not pay and I should have taken a sick day. The second part of the lesson is I need a new job.

You are so obtuse I wonder how you've made it this far in life.

I understand everything people said. I also know my workplace and how discussion with them is futile. I agree it would make sense at many workplaces.

You have had no discussion with them so you don't know it's futile. That said, discussion with you is futile so I shall exit the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked for two weeks off to take a trip abroad and it was rejected because "no one gets two weeks at a time. You can have one week." Which (a) after 11 years at one workplace I think you could bend the rules and (b) it was false! People of foreign origins were routnely allowed up to three weeks to visit their home countries. One guy visited home after 6 months employment.
I quit on a Friday afternoon. Wednesday morning they told me I could have the two weeks and I already had a new job lined up.

So call in sick. If you're a data scientist, you're hard to replace. Personally, I'd be mad enough to jump ship as soon as I possibly could, probably without notice

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Team call in sick day before, day of, day after. Oops covid and a nasty gi thing. Bedridden the whole time.

This place deserves zero respect. And they won't fire you because they'd never find another person to walk all over like this.

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Anonymous wrote:I asked for two weeks off to take a trip abroad and it was rejected because "no one gets two weeks at a time. You can have one week." Which (a) after 11 years at one workplace I think you could bend the rules and (b) it was false! People of foreign origins were routnely allowed up to three weeks to visit their home countries. One guy visited home after 6 months employment.
I quit on a Friday afternoon. Wednesday morning they told me I could have the two weeks and I already had a new job lined up.

So did you confront them prior to quitting? Or did you just quit and then they tried to get you back? Good for you either way!

I did confront them and they would not budge, only after quitting did they relent. I'm a night shift nurse so hard to replace, and it was extremely easy to find a new position. Sounds like OP is hard to replace as well so power should be on her side.

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Funny, I never ask for permission. It's part of your benefits. As long as you plan it ahead of time, it should not be a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, I never ask for permission. It's part of your benefits. As long as you plan it ahead of time, it should not be a problem.

OP’s office rules are certainly draconian, but at every organization I’ve worked at, leave was at the discretion/approval of the manager. And at certain times you were not allowed to be off barring an emergency (eg in corporate accounting during the year end closing process).

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why you won't just talk to someone about it.

She works in data analytics (anti social career) and management should understand that about people who choose and excel in these career paths

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Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

My job isn't like that. We do not have meetings on Fridays and the only work is the same work we always do. We don't have any special deadlines coming up. Many other people do what I do and extra hours are given if someone takes off, which is why I thought it was best to give some notice so someone else could take my hours. So no, it's just about the petty "two week notice" aspect. Now I can see if I were a frequent flyer at this but it is literally the very first time I ask for a personal day.

If they’re going to be petty, you can be petty too. Just call out sick. Disrespectful people don’t deserve your respect.

I am going to do that I think. I absolutely hate lying, especially since my managers will know this is totally fake and I am not sick. But at the same time what do they expect me to do exactly after rejecting my request?

Why are you so resistant to having a conversation with your manager about the time off? You say they are second in line to HR, but as your manager it is their job to go to bat for you and send HR an email saying it was cleared by them. Seems like a big step to go straight to faking a sick day that they will know about. Ask them what is so important that they can't give you the day off, and see if there is a way to come to an agreement. If they blow you off, that's an answer in and of itself.

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Because I don't think they care. They manage huge teams of people and we don't know each other physically. There is nothing important or a good reason for not giving me a day off, so it's pretty clear where they stand. I don't want to make needless waves.

For crying out loud stop being a wet noodle and go talk to the one you are the closest too. Stop speculating and feeling sorry for yourself. Stop making excuses. If they are jerks to your face and have no good reason for denying your time off, then at least you had the discussion and know exactly where you stand.

Their reason was very clear: I did not ask soon enough. The decision was endorsed by all the managers in the email I received. So why would I go and beg for explanations or a change of mind? They made it pretty clear it was a no. We (not just me, all employees and managers) communicate only about work and the tone at work is extremely dry and business-like. I really have no reason to think based on past interaction that asking would help at all. My lesson was that honesty does not pay and I should have taken a sick day. The second part of the lesson is I need a new job.

You are so obtuse I wonder how you've made it this far in life.

I understand everything people said. I also know my workplace and how discussion with them is futile. I agree it would make sense at many workplaces.

So what if it's futile. Rock the boat!

Stop.

OP is a middle aged mom with a soon to be in college kid. She needs this job until she has another one.

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I wouldn’t mention the college tour at all I would just say it was a dr appointment and I would schedule one at 7 am on the same or next day if they need a note. Petty @sses

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Anonymous wrote:I'm worried you will get in trouble if you fraudulently take a sick day.

If you do, make sure you nor your kid posts anything about the travel on social media and don't tell anyone at work etc you are going.

Are you sure you can't get the college trip on another day? Unless on the quarter system, most schools are out now and that's not the best time to visit because you don't get a good feel for the place.

Also, go ahead and schedule other vacation days.

We don't do social media at all. And no, I got a tour for that day and this is likely where my DS wants to go, and we're not doing many tours. I don't think it's a good message to my family or myself to prioritize this awful job and what they might think over time with family. I actually did schedule another vacation, for which I gave ample notice, and they STILL have not told me if the time is approved (This is for late June), which violates there own policy of telling you within 5 days if it's approved or rejected.

Oh this is beyond stupid. They need 2 weeks notice but you are supposed to book your flight the day before? F That

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Anonymous wrote:Funny, I never ask for permission. It's part of your benefits. As long as you plan it ahead of time, it should not be a problem.

BUT OP's office wants 14 days of notice. OP didn't do that. Now she's here whining. Life is tough.

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Anonymous wrote:Team call in sick day before, day of, day after. Oops covid and a nasty gi thing. Bedridden the whole time.

This place deserves zero respect. And they won't fire you because they'd never find another person to walk all over like this.

This. Their two week rule is ridiculous. How do they handle it if you have a home emergency like a pipe leak and have to stay home to meet the plumber? Sorry, go without water for two weeks until you can take a day off?

Start looking for a new job. I've never worked anywhere with these kind of rules.

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Op I left a place like this last year and my new job has been a breath of fresh air. The manager makes sure everyone uses all of our leave and doesn’t lose any. I feel almost guilty having a great and relaxed and understanding manager after having a serious of buttholes. I hope you find something new

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Anonymous wrote:Team call in sick day before, day of, day after. Oops covid and a nasty gi thing. Bedridden the whole time.

This place deserves zero respect. And they won't fire you because they'd never find another person to walk all over like this.

This. Their two week rule is ridiculous. How do they handle it if you have a home emergency like a pipe leak and have to stay home to meet the plumber? Sorry, go without water for two weeks until you can take a day off?

Start looking for a new job. I've never worked anywhere with these kind of rules.

That’s what the wife does.

[Anonymous]

How long have you been at this company? You said this is your first time requesting leave, so does this mean you started this job recently? You may still be in the probationary period and no leave allowed until it ends (ie 90 days).

Secondly, is this a remote job? If so, could you take your laptop and work phone and multitask during the college tour?

There’s something more to this saga that you’re not telling us, what is it? Stop playing the victim.

Are you currently on a PIP for anything?