Time off request rejected

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you have been given the advice several times to talk to your manager. This is a very obvious first step, and something you should do even if you believe they can't do anything about it.

Why are you rejecting the idea?

Because it's going to create awkward extra aggravation and not yield a result. I have four managers for two projects. They deal with the data side and not the HR side. I can't imagine them giving me any response that would be remotely useful in terms of result to my problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you have been given the advice several times to talk to your manager. This is a very obvious first step, and something you should do even if you believe they can't do anything about it.

Why are you rejecting the idea?

Because it's going to create awkward extra aggravation and not yield a result. I have four managers for two projects. They deal with the data side and not the HR side. I can't imagine them giving me any response that would be remotely useful in terms of result to my problem.

Personally, I would create awkward extra aggravation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP you have been given the advice several times to talk to your manager. This is a very obvious first step, and something you should do even if you believe they can't do anything about it.

Why are you rejecting the idea?

Because it's going to create awkward extra aggravation and not yield a result. I have four managers for two projects. They deal with the data side and not the HR side. I can't imagine them giving me any response that would be remotely useful in terms of result to my problem.

Earlier, you said this: " They also had me do extra work not within the scope of my responsibilities for the past two weeks, with zero notice. I was expected to be flexible and now they are rigid with me."

If the "they" that had you do extra work is your manager, then you have already drawn the connection between the time off request and your manager.

At a minimum, for as long as you continue to work there, you will want a good relationship with your manager and explaining to them why you will not be working that day is in your own long term best interest. Bonus points if it helps you understand better what is happening, and extra bonus points if you are able to actually solve the problem- whether it be the "Extra" work or the time off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

My job isn't like that. We do not have meetings on Fridays and the only work is the same work we always do. We don't have any special deadlines coming up. Many other people do what I do and extra hours are given if someone takes off, which is why I thought it was best to give some notice so someone else could take my hours. So no, it's just about the petty "two week notice" aspect. Now I can see if I were a frequent flyer at this but it is literally the very first time I ask for a personal day.

If they’re going to be petty, you can be petty too. Just call out sick. Disrespectful people don’t deserve your respect.

I am going to do that I think. I absolutely hate lying, especially since my managers will know this is totally fake and I am not sick. But at the same time what do they expect me to do exactly after rejecting my request?

Why are you so resistant to having a conversation with your manager about the time off? You say they are second in line to HR, but as your manager it is their job to go to bat for you and send HR an email saying it was cleared by them. Seems like a big step to go straight to faking a sick day that they will know about. Ask them what is so important that they can't give you the day off, and see if there is a way to come to an agreement. If they blow you off, that's an answer in and of itself.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

This and definitely before you go to HR. I always let my manager know that I'll be requesting time off and why. Maybe I shouldn't have to but it results in less friction.

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Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

My job isn't like that. We do not have meetings on Fridays and the only work is the same work we always do. We don't have any special deadlines coming up. Many other people do what I do and extra hours are given if someone takes off, which is why I thought it was best to give some notice so someone else could take my hours. So no, it's just about the petty "two week notice" aspect. Now I can see if I were a frequent flyer at this but it is literally the very first time I ask for a personal day.

If they’re going to be petty, you can be petty too. Just call out sick. Disrespectful people don’t deserve your respect.

I am going to do that I think. I absolutely hate lying, especially since my managers will know this is totally fake and I am not sick. But at the same time what do they expect me to do exactly after rejecting my request?

Why are you so resistant to having a conversation with your manager about the time off? You say they are second in line to HR, but as your manager it is their job to go to bat for you and send HR an email saying it was cleared by them. Seems like a big step to go straight to faking a sick day that they will know about. Ask them what is so important that they can't give you the day off, and see if there is a way to come to an agreement. If they blow you off, that's an answer in and of itself.

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Because I don't think they care. They manage huge teams of people and we don't know each other physically. There is nothing important or a good reason for not giving me a day off, so it's pretty clear where they stand. I don't want to make needless waves.

[Anonymous]

If you're planning to quit anyway, who cares if you make needless waves.

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Anonymous wrote:A workplace this rigid in the year of Al Gore's internet 2024 would have to pay a lot or have some other perks for me to stay and deal with this nonsense.

She could be a doctor, nurse, teacher or someone who needs a backup to be able to take off. My parent was a doctor and schedules would come out 3 months in advance. They made her haggle with her coworkers and trade days if she wanted anything off. Leave had to be put in months in advance.

I am a data analyst. I am not well-paid, and my work is not important in any way.

Well eff that then.

[Anonymous]

This is going to sound harsh, but OP's inability to push back and try to find a resolution to her problem could explain why she is stuck in a low level job at middle age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is going to sound harsh, but OP's inability to push back and try to find a resolution to her problem could explain why she is stuck in a low level job at middle age.

Taking a sick day is a fine resolution.

[Anonymous]

Do not call in sick. This is now a fireable offense, as they know you intended to take the day off.

Go talk to your boss and tell him exactly why you need to take the day off - last minute college tour spot opened up. Tell him that you will be taking a vacation day and that he needs to work it out directly with the HR manager. Remind him that you have not taken any time off in two years and have generally never given him troubles.

But you need to definitively tell him you won't be in that day and that you're happy to make an action plan, if needed, to ensure work gets done on time while you are out. Stand firm.

[Anonymous]

They will not fire her

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do not call in sick. This is now a fireable offense, as they know you intended to take the day off.

Go talk to your boss and tell him exactly why you need to take the day off - last minute college tour spot opened up. Tell him that you will be taking a vacation day and that he needs to work it out directly with the HR manager. Remind him that you have not taken any time off in two years and have generally never given him troubles.

But you need to definitively tell him you won't be in that day and that you're happy to make an action plan, if needed, to ensure work gets done on time while you are out. Stand firm.

That is not necessarily true. I worked a a company with a similar 2 weeks notice policy for vacation. Sick leave was to be used for anything with less notice than the two weeks. We all had 2 weeks of vacation and 1 week of sick leave. So, at this company a vacation request would have been rejected because it was less than 2 weeks away, but the expectation would be that you would use a sick day. I would notify my manager/team lead that I will be using a day of sick leave for an appointment on xx date. That way your manager can plan ahead for the work but you are following HR policy. At every company I have ever worked at sick leave was allowed to be used for medical appointments for the employee and family members that needed the employee to attend. HIPPA laws say the employer can not ask what the appointment is for. To me it sounds like OP needs a mental health sick day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talk to your manager directly and tell him/her that you need this day off. Ask for clarification of why it was rejected. Is there a big meeting going on that day? Something that you absolutely need to be there for?

My job isn't like that. We do not have meetings on Fridays and the only work is the same work we always do. We don't have any special deadlines coming up. Many other people do what I do and extra hours are given if someone takes off, which is why I thought it was best to give some notice so someone else could take my hours. So no, it's just about the petty "two week notice" aspect. Now I can see if I were a frequent flyer at this but it is literally the very first time I ask for a personal day.

If they’re going to be petty, you can be petty too. Just call out sick. Disrespectful people don’t deserve your respect.

I am going to do that I think. I absolutely hate lying, especially since my managers will know this is totally fake and I am not sick. But at the same time what do they expect me to do exactly after rejecting my request?

Why are you so resistant to having a conversation with your manager about the time off? You say they are second in line to HR, but as your manager it is their job to go to bat for you and send HR an email saying it was cleared by them. Seems like a big step to go straight to faking a sick day that they will know about. Ask them what is so important that they can't give you the day off, and see if there is a way to come to an agreement. If they blow you off, that's an answer in and of itself.

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Because I don't think they care. They manage huge teams of people and we don't know each other physically. There is nothing important or a good reason for not giving me a day off, so it's pretty clear where they stand. I don't want to make needless waves.

This is why you didn't get your day off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not call in sick. This is now a fireable offense, as they know you intended to take the day off.

Go talk to your boss and tell him exactly why you need to take the day off - last minute college tour spot opened up. Tell him that you will be taking a vacation day and that he needs to work it out directly with the HR manager. Remind him that you have not taken any time off in two years and have generally never given him troubles.

But you need to definitively tell him you won't be in that day and that you're happy to make an action plan, if needed, to ensure work gets done on time while you are out. Stand firm.

That is not necessarily true. I worked a a company with a similar 2 weeks notice policy for vacation. Sick leave was to be used for anything with less notice than the two weeks. We all had 2 weeks of vacation and 1 week of sick leave. So, at this company a vacation request would have been rejected because it was less than 2 weeks away, but the expectation would be that you would use a sick day. I would notify my manager/team lead that I will be using a day of sick leave for an appointment on xx date. That way your manager can plan ahead for the work but you are following HR policy. At every company I have ever worked at sick leave was allowed to be used for medical appointments for the employee and family members that needed the employee to attend. HIPPA laws say the employer can not ask what the appointment is for. To me it sounds like OP needs a mental health sick day.

I am kind of at a loss tbh now. HR is incredibly rigid and the handbook has absolutely no provision for anything in between the two week notice and sick day, but surely this scenario must occur, because life happens. Yet they didn't say to resubmit as a sick day (even though I do have sick time off accrued). Part of me thinks I should not go on the trip now but I am very resentful about it. I don't feel treated like a human being. I hesitate about asking if a sick day would be appropriate.