FCV- National Playoffs?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

GA national championships? LOL
Those teams wouldn’t stand a chance in the ECNL playoffs. You think your daughter is that good but you really have no idea.

You're right. Those US National team players really suck.

No, those players are good. Your daughter is not a US national team player.

[Anonymous]

It’s obvious people have no idea how political the National team is even at young ages…

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Anonymous wrote:It’s obvious people have no idea how political the National team is even at young ages…

It’s obvious you are a moron, trying to throw stones at 2 accomplished players who are headed to Penn St and UGA, respectively, because they didn’t play in a shitty youth league (ECNL).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

Yet could only beat a MA GA team this weekend by 1, and GA is garbage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Play up an age group or two and players will not only get competition, they’ll get an education. No airplane necessary.

It looks good for the club for a team to rack up a gaudy record and goal differential, but it’s not doing jack for the individual players, especially the handful that are doing the dominating. If Arlington - or any other club w/ a team that is dominating - has any balls and actually cares about development, they’ll move a set of those players up in age group for next year.

quick history lesson… most of those girls did play up… in fact pre ecnl the whole team stopped playing the 2011 in the area because they kicked the ish out of all of them.

Hence the separation from the other local teams… that 2011 team has some size concerns in the future but as of right now have synergy and are still giving 2011s headaches….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Play up an age group or two and players will not only get competition, they’ll get an education. No airplane necessary.

It looks good for the club for a team to rack up a gaudy record and goal differential, but it’s not doing jack for the individual players, especially the handful that are doing the dominating. If Arlington - or any other club w/ a team that is dominating - has any balls and actually cares about development, they’ll move a set of those players up in age group for next year.

quick history lesson… most of those girls did play up… in fact pre ecnl the whole team stopped playing the 2011 in the area because they kicked the ish out of all of them.

Hence the separation from the other local teams… that 2011 team has some size concerns in the future but as of right now have synergy and are still giving 2011s headaches….

…so then some of them should continue to play up. That’s what is best for them individually, but would be surprised if Arlington actually did it…because it’s not what is best for Arlington.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

GA national championships? LOL
Those teams wouldn’t stand a chance in the ECNL playoffs. You think your daughter is that good but you really have no idea.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the top 5-10 GA teams can certainly compete at the highest levels of ECNL.

Compete in the league, no doubt. Compete for national championships? No way. And certainly not from this area. Has any ECNL team from this area ever won or come close to a national championship?

You may think FCV or ECNL teams in this area are in that caliber playing against each other but when they face true national competition it’s not the case. Having one or two standout players that make US national teams does not change anything. The teams in CA and TX are loaded with them. In this area teams take turns poaching players from each other. In TX and CA there are players moving from all over the country just to play for those teams. No one is moving to DC area just to join a soccer team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

Tell that to all the top college coaches that attend GA events.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

Tell that to all the top college coaches that attend GA events.

Both of them?

But seriously — GA is good enough to have a few players go D1. So are some clubs that are neither ECNL nor GA. There was a player a few years ago — I want to say she was from Idaho or Montana — who didn’t even have a club team but made it to the highest levels. If I were coaching a college team, I’d get a leg up on the competition by scouting everywhere I could, including high schools.

That doesn’t mean GA is the same level as ECNL. It most definitely is not. When the girls DA started, it couldn’t attract all the top clubs from ECNL. When the girls DA collapsed, ECNL picked which clubs it wanted for the most part.

It’s not quite the Championship to ECNL’s Premier League. But it’s close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

Tell that to all the top college coaches that attend GA events.

One has nothing to do with the other. College coaches recruit players not teams. GA has plenty of very good players worthy of top college programs. ECNL just has more of them on the same team and so the teams are better. You could make an argument that it’s actually better for a good player for recruiting to be a standout on a GA team rather than one of many on ECNL. College coaches don’t care in which league your team plays.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

Tell that to all the top college coaches that attend GA events.

Not as many as there used to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

Tell that to all the top college coaches that attend GA events.

Not as many as there used to be.

How does every thread turn into an ECNL vs GA debate started by an ECNL parent? it's tiring and played out

[Anonymous]

Last year was the good year of GA. Just look at the results of the PDA Showcase this weekend. GA teams got outplayed in almost every age group. Ukies, South Shore and Nationals all in ECNL next year. Almost 80% of D1 offers for the class of ‘25 are ECNL. It’s done. We left GA a year and thankful we went that route.

BUT, GA will still continue to get 15% of D1 offers regardless. But if you aren’t on a top GA team, it’s going to be very tough.