FCV- National Playoffs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

Nobody considers GA the top level. PP is referring to competing nationally at ecnl level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Sure, but unless you want to move to California ...

That said, I don't mind winnowing down the number of ECNL or MLS Next clubs. With Union and Brave getting together, we're getting pretty close to an all-Fairfax County club -- at least the eastern part. In the whole DMV, you could surely come up with 5-6 decent teams per age group, right? Even if it's just 3-4, then you add in a couple of teams from Baltimore, then either go south to Richmond or north toward Philly, and you have a half-decent league.

Problem is that they're all in different clubs AND different leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

GA national championships? LOL
Those teams wouldn’t stand a chance in the ECNL playoffs. You think your daughter is that good but you really have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Sure, but unless you want to move to California ...

That said, I don't mind winnowing down the number of ECNL or MLS Next clubs. With Union and Brave getting together, we're getting pretty close to an all-Fairfax County club -- at least the eastern part. In the whole DMV, you could surely come up with 5-6 decent teams per age group, right? Even if it's just 3-4, then you add in a couple of teams from Baltimore, then either go south to Richmond or north toward Philly, and you have a half-decent league.

Problem is that they're all in different clubs AND different leagues.

I'm not sure what age groups you're referring to here but in the ones I'm familiar with, driving to Baltimore or Richmond is a waste of time. PA usually has solid teams but again that's a long drive. Bethesda would be an option but how many scrimmages would be worth your time with the same club?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

GA national championships? LOL
Those teams wouldn’t stand a chance in the ECNL playoffs. You think your daughter is that good but you really have no idea.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the top 5-10 GA teams can certainly compete at the highest levels of ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. If all the players leaving FCV are choosing not to travel because they have accepted other offers, are going to play in a new club’s tournament, or are following a coach somewhere else, why couldn’t FCV just bring in the new players they have recruited for next year? My assumption was this wasn’t allowed but it seems if others are allowing it why not FCV?

Still clueless. Most of the new coaches are clueless. I've seen the new players and they suck. The DR favorites also suck. I predict a wakeup call by the GA 2 players moving up that your dream of playing at a higher level will be short lived. 1-2 girls may survive but most will be going up against a brick wall next year.

Is this the same parent that keeps trash talking children? Or is this a club taking about children like this? I would love to know because I wouldn’t allow my kids to step foot near you. Let’s put some things in perspective.

1. At the national level , VA can’t compete.
2. At the international level, US can’t compete.
3. Most players will not make a career out of this.
4. Many players will not get a free ride to college.
5. Your obsession is misplaced and irrelevant. And really creepy.

I think what you fail to grasp and probably never will is that not everyone sees this beautiful sport or youth soccer through your vile and pathetic perspective.

You failed with #1 in your list. FCV 07 and FCV 06 won nationals championships the past two years.

GA national championships? LOL
Those teams wouldn’t stand a chance in the ECNL playoffs. You think your daughter is that good but you really have no idea.

You're right. Those US National team players really suck.

[Anonymous]

the size factor works in Arlington's favor and it will catch up with them by U15.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

Meanwhile, Loudoun 09s were undefeated at U15 and #1 overall seed in ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

Meanwhile, Loudoun 09s were undefeated at U15 and #1 overall seed in ECNL.

09 MA division is weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

Meanwhile, Loudoun 09s were undefeated at U15 and #1 overall seed in ECNL.

09 MA division is weak.

Exactly. However, if anyone wants to see a direct comparison between top notch 2009 GA teams VS. Top ECNL teams, go ahead and look at the results from today at the PDA Showcase. Spoiler alert, it’s not pretty for GA. ECNL Nat’l champs won 5-0 over GA Nat’l champs. There were also 3 other matchups and GA lost every single game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Loudoun and Arlington are second tier clubs. Why would FCV play them?

I just checked the ECNL standings -- wow, they weren't kidding about Arlington's 2011s. 22-1-1 with a +85 GD in ECNL.

Meanwhile, Loudoun 09s were undefeated at U15 and #1 overall seed in ECNL.

NVA 09G are still #1 in MA. This group has always been fast and strong moreso than having technical skills. It's been working for them in conference games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two is not true at all USYNT cleans up at all age levels -- problem is USWNT.

That's backwards.

The U-17s were runners-up in the first U-17 World Cup in 2008. It was 14 years before they made it back to the quarterfinals in 2022, where they lost to Nigeria.

The U-20s won the first one in 2002 and won again in 2008 and 2012. Since then? Quarterfinals in 2014, fourth place in 2016, group stage in 2018, group stage in 2022. (2020 was canceled.)

Part of the problem is that we spend way more on national team salaries (women AND men) than other countries, who instead focus on developing the next generation.

And part of the problem is that we spend a ton of time on bogus "national championships" instead of just playing competitive games.

“National youth championships in the USA are the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard in my life.” - Horst Bertl, who played in the Bundesliga and the NASL before settling in Dallas to run a youth club that was eventually folded into FC Dallas.

No one becomes a better soccer player on an airplane. You become a better player by playing. FCV's players would be better off skipping the airports and playing a couple more games against Loudoun and Arlington. (Not that such a thing would actually happen.)

The problem with this approach is that neither Loudon nor Arlington are competitive enough to make anyone else better. The exception may be Arlington 2011G. You have to get on a plane (or take a very long drive) to see any real competition. The good players are too diluted in each age group in this area to be competitive.

Play up an age group or two and players will not only get competition, they’ll get an education. No airplane necessary.

It looks good for the club for a team to rack up a gaudy record and goal differential, but it’s not doing jack for the individual players, especially the handful that are doing the dominating. If Arlington - or any other club w/ a team that is dominating - has any balls and actually cares about development, they’ll move a set of those players up in age group for next year.