MYS Boy's ECLN parent sends mass email to entire MYS program?

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So you're arugment is that BRYC (the club, not just ECNL) is better off now than before the merger with Brave. You can't be really aruging it worked in favor of the club, players or staff. The merger was a failure for the entire club and the impact means BRYC may never be what it was. Vienna seems to have benefited though. They went from no ECNL program to now taking over 2 of it's competitors. Bravo to their leadership. This is the fate you want to give to McLean too.

Maybe not BRYC girls side but the boys side was being run into the ground. No kids were showing up for tryouts and no one cared because they were building their own Club. It was a cycle of apathy.
2 years of Vienna coming in was not enough to fix the boys. Fair or not, that’s what ECNL gave them.
I also think at the younger travel ages it was a wake up call on the Boys side.They are much more robust than the years before Brave. Hopefully that will help Fairfax Union succeed.

I really hope so. To be fair to the MYS boys leadership you can't say they weren't loyal to the club. They weren't building their own club on the side like BRYC coaches were at the time. They have been doing for many years and were really the only ones with even a little bit of success in ECNL. As someone else stated they rebuilt the reputation of boys program after losing DA and were invested in the future of the club as they both have leadership positions. They took part in the SYC merger without an issues. It doesn't make sense that they were left out of this merger.

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Anonymous wrote:The emails are just so stupid. My favorite part was: Was the possibility of "calling the bluff" of ECNL's threats ever considered, especially given the Boys Program's historical success?

What success?

How the McLean families are reacting to a merger is exactly why they don’t deserve ECNL on their own.

Who the f*ck cares about Boys ECNL? What are we talking about. Parents want their coaches to stay. McLean isn't just ECNL. There is a whole club to consider not just one program playing in one league. If the leadership were smart (which they are not) they would have a townhall in January to discuss options. I guarantee you they would not have wanted this outcome (losing their best coaches). Boys program thrived outside of ECNL for many years. EVeryone is so caught up in the changing landscape that they don't realize we should stick what WE value as a club over all else. 99% parents want their kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons. They want them to have experiences that will last well beyond wins and losses. We are losing the essence of what this is all about. The boys program was giving the best experience to their players (just ask anyone involved). They loved the staff because they trusted them to deliver and what mattered most. This drama about losing ECNL just shows how disconnected "ELITE" parents are from the reality of the game. Adults ruining the lives of children. MYS leadership should be ashamed.

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

Obviously those coaches you keep lamenting the loss of care about ECNL, or they wouldn't be abandoning ship because of MYS's decision.

Obviously YOU care about ECNL or you wouldn't keep pointing out BRAVE's record and trashing the players and coaches who live down the road from McLean.

Obviously soccer parents all over the DMV care about ECNL or they wouldn't be club hopping constantly, four clubs in five years kind of thing. My kid used to play for a wonderful small club that was great at developing players and little by little, as soon as players were good enough or ambitious enough, they left for clubs with MLS-Next or ECNL. ECNL in itself is a draw and just *having* an ECNL team will get players to show up. Even ECNL-R is a draw, maybe as a stepping stone or to get a foot in the door but also because kids love to say they play for an ECNL team even though ECNL-R is just a CCL/NPL/EDP league of another name.

There has not been one indication in the over-the-top reaction to the announcement that you or other irate parents want "kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons." Do you think that is what McLean parents are modeling here? Do you think that is how McLean parents are being perceived???

Uhh. At what point did I bash BRAVE? I can't speak for other McLean parents and how they reacted. I'm just pointing out that clubs shouldn't bend to the will of the league just because they threaten us. Clubs should uphold their own standards and understand the impact this is having on the players and their experience. It's the tail wagging the dog in this case. That's the problem. What happens if/when this fails. McLean and Brave won't control their own path forward and neither will be a good position to adjust to the next change in the landscape. That's my point. This merger is too risky if you analyze it beyond the threat of losing ECNL and the gain of an "expanded" player pool. We are talking about one program (on the boys side only) that is now resulted in McLean giving up 2/3 control of it's "ELITE" programming to other clubs. Given how this was all done it seems like more due diligence should have been done before making this decision to merge. Parents have every right to be upset in both clubs.

Everybody has moved on except McLean. Nobody else is interested in getting stuck in such negativity.

I wonder why McLean is worried? The Vienna/BRYC which created BRAVE destroyed BRYC because it split the club in two and coaches and players left. Look at where BRYC is now. They used to be strong club. Certainly stronger than anything Brave has produced. Now BRYC can't even field ECNL-RL teams. They are basically nothing now beyond some NCSL teams. We keep forgetting the history of these mergers. They have the potential to destroy the parent club. This is why parents are fighting. MYS is selling out and the only ones NOT complaining are benefiting personally. This is not in the best interest of the entire club. Wonder why it was rushed through in a month and it's a mess of contradicting messaging.

There are plenty of other mergers to look at (including McLean and SYC), which did not destroy either club. This is not the issue.

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I mean McLean was forced to into another merger that could destroy the club; while GA ignorance is abound no one would say SYC is anywhere near being forced into a merger with anyone. So not the same things and there is a 160 page thread out ther that supports the notion that this would not have happened if SYC just stayed put.

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Anonymous wrote:The emails are just so stupid. My favorite part was: Was the possibility of "calling the bluff" of ECNL's threats ever considered, especially given the Boys Program's historical success?

What success?

How the McLean families are reacting to a merger is exactly why they don’t deserve ECNL on their own.

Who the f*ck cares about Boys ECNL? What are we talking about. Parents want their coaches to stay. McLean isn't just ECNL. There is a whole club to consider not just one program playing in one league. If the leadership were smart (which they are not) they would have a townhall in January to discuss options. I guarantee you they would not have wanted this outcome (losing their best coaches). Boys program thrived outside of ECNL for many years. EVeryone is so caught up in the changing landscape that they don't realize we should stick what WE value as a club over all else. 99% parents want their kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons. They want them to have experiences that will last well beyond wins and losses. We are losing the essence of what this is all about. The boys program was giving the best experience to their players (just ask anyone involved). They loved the staff because they trusted them to deliver and what mattered most. This drama about losing ECNL just shows how disconnected "ELITE" parents are from the reality of the game. Adults ruining the lives of children. MYS leadership should be ashamed.

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

Obviously those coaches you keep lamenting the loss of care about ECNL, or they wouldn't be abandoning ship because of MYS's decision.

Obviously YOU care about ECNL or you wouldn't keep pointing out BRAVE's record and trashing the players and coaches who live down the road from McLean.

Obviously soccer parents all over the DMV care about ECNL or they wouldn't be club hopping constantly, four clubs in five years kind of thing. My kid used to play for a wonderful small club that was great at developing players and little by little, as soon as players were good enough or ambitious enough, they left for clubs with MLS-Next or ECNL. ECNL in itself is a draw and just *having* an ECNL team will get players to show up. Even ECNL-R is a draw, maybe as a stepping stone or to get a foot in the door but also because kids love to say they play for an ECNL team even though ECNL-R is just a CCL/NPL/EDP league of another name.

There has not been one indication in the over-the-top reaction to the announcement that you or other irate parents want "kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons." Do you think that is what McLean parents are modeling here? Do you think that is how McLean parents are being perceived???

Uhh. At what point did I bash BRAVE? I can't speak for other McLean parents and how they reacted. I'm just pointing out that clubs shouldn't bend to the will of the league just because they threaten us. Clubs should uphold their own standards and understand the impact this is having on the players and their experience. It's the tail wagging the dog in this case. That's the problem. What happens if/when this fails. McLean and Brave won't control their own path forward and neither will be a good position to adjust to the next change in the landscape. That's my point. This merger is too risky if you analyze it beyond the threat of losing ECNL and the gain of an "expanded" player pool. We are talking about one program (on the boys side only) that is now resulted in McLean giving up 2/3 control of it's "ELITE" programming to other clubs. Given how this was all done it seems like more due diligence should have been done before making this decision to merge. Parents have every right to be upset in both clubs.

Everybody has moved on except McLean. Nobody else is interested in getting stuck in such negativity.

I wonder why McLean is worried? The Vienna/BRYC which created BRAVE destroyed BRYC because it split the club in two and coaches and players left. Look at where BRYC is now. They used to be strong club. Certainly stronger than anything Brave has produced. Now BRYC can't even field ECNL-RL teams. They are basically nothing now beyond some NCSL teams. We keep forgetting the history of these mergers. They have the potential to destroy the parent club. This is why parents are fighting. MYS is selling out and the only ones NOT complaining are benefiting personally. This is not in the best interest of the entire club. Wonder why it was rushed through in a month and it's a mess of contradicting messaging.

Great another example of boys coaches that don’t want to do what is best for the players and only care about themselves. You said the only ones NOT complaining are benefiting personally. Who is benefiting?
For a top league like ECNL, it should be the best players benefiting. Do McLean coaches think they own the players?
If they don’t like the coach, they can go somewhere else. Just like they would have went somewhere else if the boys were kicked out of the ecnl. Or would the boys have stayed in RL? Could they not stay in RL with their current coach if they love them so much.
Then maybe the McLean RL teams could be competitive.

So you're arugment is that BRYC (the club, not just ECNL) is better off now than before the merger with Brave. You can't be really aruging it worked in favor of the club, players or staff. The merger was a failure for the entire club and the impact means BRYC may never be what it was. Vienna seems to have benefited though. They went from no ECNL program to now taking over 2 of it's competitors. Bravo to their leadership. This is the fate you want to give to McLean too.

Bryc was done long before the Brave merger. They actually are now positioned to build again with a direct pathway that actually matters.

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How was the town hall?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The emails are just so stupid. My favorite part was: Was the possibility of "calling the bluff" of ECNL's threats ever considered, especially given the Boys Program's historical success?

What success?

How the McLean families are reacting to a merger is exactly why they don’t deserve ECNL on their own.

Who the f*ck cares about Boys ECNL? What are we talking about. Parents want their coaches to stay. McLean isn't just ECNL. There is a whole club to consider not just one program playing in one league. If the leadership were smart (which they are not) they would have a townhall in January to discuss options. I guarantee you they would not have wanted this outcome (losing their best coaches). Boys program thrived outside of ECNL for many years. EVeryone is so caught up in the changing landscape that they don't realize we should stick what WE value as a club over all else. 99% parents want their kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons. They want them to have experiences that will last well beyond wins and losses. We are losing the essence of what this is all about. The boys program was giving the best experience to their players (just ask anyone involved). They loved the staff because they trusted them to deliver and what mattered most. This drama about losing ECNL just shows how disconnected "ELITE" parents are from the reality of the game. Adults ruining the lives of children. MYS leadership should be ashamed.

Sorry, but I don't believe you.

Obviously those coaches you keep lamenting the loss of care about ECNL, or they wouldn't be abandoning ship because of MYS's decision.

Obviously YOU care about ECNL or you wouldn't keep pointing out BRAVE's record and trashing the players and coaches who live down the road from McLean.

Obviously soccer parents all over the DMV care about ECNL or they wouldn't be club hopping constantly, four clubs in five years kind of thing. My kid used to play for a wonderful small club that was great at developing players and little by little, as soon as players were good enough or ambitious enough, they left for clubs with MLS-Next or ECNL. ECNL in itself is a draw and just *having* an ECNL team will get players to show up. Even ECNL-R is a draw, maybe as a stepping stone or to get a foot in the door but also because kids love to say they play for an ECNL team even though ECNL-R is just a CCL/NPL/EDP league of another name.

There has not been one indication in the over-the-top reaction to the announcement that you or other irate parents want "kids to thrive in a positive environment and learn life lessons." Do you think that is what McLean parents are modeling here? Do you think that is how McLean parents are being perceived???

Uhh. At what point did I bash BRAVE? I can't speak for other McLean parents and how they reacted. I'm just pointing out that clubs shouldn't bend to the will of the league just because they threaten us. Clubs should uphold their own standards and understand the impact this is having on the players and their experience. It's the tail wagging the dog in this case. That's the problem. What happens if/when this fails. McLean and Brave won't control their own path forward and neither will be a good position to adjust to the next change in the landscape. That's my point. This merger is too risky if you analyze it beyond the threat of losing ECNL and the gain of an "expanded" player pool. We are talking about one program (on the boys side only) that is now resulted in McLean giving up 2/3 control of it's "ELITE" programming to other clubs. Given how this was all done it seems like more due diligence should have been done before making this decision to merge. Parents have every right to be upset in both clubs.

"Clubs should not bend at the will of the league"

This is so stupid, okay so lets say the clubs don't merge and then get kicked out of ECNL. You would be cool with that?

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Right. What that parent did not understand is that these clubs were going to lose their ECNL path if they did not create a new combined club. The new club gives players from all three clubs a way into ECNL, which they would not have if they had not done this. I get the knee jerk reaction, but if you read the messages from the clubs, they really had no choice.

It was lose ECNL all together, or create the new team.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. What that parent did not understand is that these clubs were going to lose their ECNL path if they did not create a new combined club. The new club gives players from all three clubs a way into ECNL, which they would not have if they had not done this. I get the knee jerk reaction, but if you read the messages from the clubs, they really had no choice.

It was lose ECNL all together, or create the new team.

That was how I understood it as well. It is unfortunate that these clubs ended up in this position, and I am not sure why ECNL did this, but I don’t think they really had much of a choice in this.

I agree with others that the future is a bit uncertain, but if the new team takes the top players from each of the three clubs, I would imagine the new team should be very competitive (and presumably better than the old individual teams were). We can come back to this thread in two years to see how it played out. From a player standpoint, it is of course frustrating for the lower players on each club who don’t make the new club, but for those that do, they’ll have a chance at being much more competitive going forward.

[Anonymous]

How was the town hall?

[Anonymous]

Did the town hall actually happen?