MYS Boy's ECLN parent sends mass email to entire MYS program?
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Anonymous
Interesting. How do you know that? |
Anonymous
Uhh. At what point did I bash BRAVE? I can't speak for other McLean parents and how they reacted. I'm just pointing out that clubs shouldn't bend to the will of the league just because they threaten us. Clubs should uphold their own standards and understand the impact this is having on the players and their experience. It's the tail wagging the dog in this case. That's the problem. What happens if/when this fails. McLean and Brave won't control their own path forward and neither will be a good position to adjust to the next change in the landscape. That's my point. This merger is too risky if you analyze it beyond the threat of losing ECNL and the gain of an "expanded" player pool. We are talking about one program (on the boys side only) that is now resulted in McLean giving up 2/3 control of it's "ELITE" programming to other clubs. Given how this was all done it seems like more due diligence should have been done before making this decision to merge. Parents have every right to be upset in both clubs. |
Anonymous
What in the world are you smoking. Brave has only ever played ECNL. So any USYS national championship you're talking about is in your head buddy. Not to meantion nowadays USYS National championship is won by ECNL-RL level teams. BRYC and Vienna Boys never won a national championship that I remember in the last 10 years. I have nothing against Brave coaches but one year where they are slightly better in one fixture against VA Union isn't anything to brag about. I mean the only win the 09s have all year is against Union. That make them better? Jesus you're dumb. When is the last time the Brave Boys ECNL sent a team to the playoffs (meaning they finished in the top half of the division). I'm not saying VA Union boys were killing it but at least they can point to SOME success. If you have examples of Brave Boys teams doing well (i.e. making playoffs) then please let me know. It's hard to get excited about this merger given the outcome of the coaching lineup and top VA Union and Brave Boys players leaving. I think the only team that might have a chance of being any good is 07/06. Both teams are in the middle of the pack. Combining might make them better. Other than that it's a shit show. VA Union is losing it's coach and best 08 players because of this merger and replacing it with dead last zero win Brave 08 team. 2011 both teams are bad and probably losing any good players left. 2010 Union are bad and Brave is below average. 2009 Brave is bad and VA union are below average. 2012 both teams are near the bottom in VPSL - just look at the standings. Do you see how none of this makes any sense? |
Anonymous
Agree MYS losing DB to another club hurts MYS a lot. He was one of their best coaches. But, for DB it's a once in a lifetime chance to coach ENCL since there won't be openings at MYS. Didn't MYS hire a strong coach from another club last year? AA who coaches girls 2013? Seems like clubs taking other club's top coaches is the norm. Also, agree MYS should have consulted JW regarding merger. If for nothing else just out professional courtesy. |
Anonymous
| What I'm hearing from all of this regarding the boys is, that even with this merger, no one is sold on the coaches on that side to right the ship and that no one will be surprised that if in 2 years this club finds itself back in the principal's office at ECNL headquarters again due to poor performance |
Anonymous
Apologies if you aren't the one bashing Brave but your peers are every couple of posts. Which is making everyone else shake their heads and in turn put down Union players and Union coaches. But it's starting with the poor-taste McLean posters. Re: the idea of bending to the will of the league, is your point that you think ECNL was bluffing and would not have kicked out both clubs? Or do you think MYS would have weathered the departure just fine? Because those of us who have been around for a few years know that clubs go up and down and, as much as families like to say that clubs are not loyal to the players (totally true) it is also clear that few families are loyal to clubs. If McLean were to be booted from ECNL, every college-hopeful would leave. |
Anonymous
Everybody has moved on except McLean. Nobody else is interested in getting stuck in such negativity. |
Anonymous
I wonder why McLean is worried? The Vienna/BRYC which created BRAVE destroyed BRYC because it split the club in two and coaches and players left. Look at where BRYC is now. They used to be strong club. Certainly stronger than anything Brave has produced. Now BRYC can't even field ECNL-RL teams. They are basically nothing now beyond some NCSL teams. We keep forgetting the history of these mergers. They have the potential to destroy the parent club. This is why parents are fighting. MYS is selling out and the only ones NOT complaining are benefiting personally. This is not in the best interest of the entire club. Wonder why it was rushed through in a month and it's a mess of contradicting messaging. |
Anonymous
So this about control. You finally said it. |
Anonymous
Do you really think JW didn’t know this was happening? The whole soccer community knew. If he didn’t know what was going on, I would have to question if he might be too busy with NCSL or maybe finding a job at Arlington. |
Anonymous
Great another example of boys coaches that don’t want to do what is best for the players and only care about themselves. You said the only ones NOT complaining are benefiting personally. Who is benefiting? For a top league like ECNL, it should be the best players benefiting. Do McLean coaches think they own the players? If they don’t like the coach, they can go somewhere else. Just like they would have went somewhere else if the boys were kicked out of the ecnl. Or would the boys have stayed in RL? Could they not stay in RL with their current coach if they love them so much. Then maybe the McLean RL teams could be competitive. |
Anonymous
Just think of what you'll say when the league comes back again and forces another merger. It's unprecedented to have a league control what clubs do with their teams and MYS just allowed it without even blinking an eye. Now the league knows they can use us like pawns. My point isn't that we shouldn't do this merger but we certaintly should have been way less willing to do this without analyzing the full impact and understanding the risks. The fact that many were surpised by the move isn't a good sign. Below are questions I think should be easy to answer by the club: Is there any documentation from the league that states they forced us to merge both boys and girls with Brave? - There should a public statement which we can use to hold the league accountable. What criteria is used by the league to determine if a club is underperforming? - Without this information we are at serious risk of future action by the league without even knowing why. Is there data to support the claim that the boys program was underperforming beyond the current year standings? What is the clubs' performance relative to other clubs in our division over the last 5 years? MYS has survived losing DA. What makes this situation different? Did anyone present to the membership/staff to gain buy-in prior to deciding to merge? - This seems like leadership 101 especially for a member-driven non-profit organization. I hope some of these questions are answered in the townhall. This merger was done quietly and rushed through right before tryouts and to me that's not how big decisions like this should be made if you want to be successful. Everyone is saying the club had no choice but no other choices were even explored. It's either we do this or we lose ECNL (first it was potentially both programs, but really it was only just Boys). That isn't how things should work in a well run business. Tells you everything you need to know about MYS. |
Anonymous
So you're arugment is that BRYC (the club, not just ECNL) is better off now than before the merger with Brave. You can't be really aruging it worked in favor of the club, players or staff. The merger was an failure for the entire club and the impact means BRYC may never be what it was. Vienna seems to have benefited though. They went from no ECNL program to now taking over 2 of it's competitors. Bravo to their leadership. This is the fate you want to give to McLean too. |
Anonymous
Straw manning when you have know idea what you're talking about. Nobody said anyone owns the players nor did I say it has anything to do with the coaches. What's best for the players is subjective and shouldn't be imposed upon a club by a league. The club is a member-driven non profit. The members should be integral to deciding what's best for their club. Simple as that. BRYC didn't do that and look at them now. A shell of what they used to be. McLean is trying NOT to make that same mistake despite the leadership thinking they know what's best. |
Anonymous
Maybe not BRYC girls side but the boys side was being run into the ground. No kids were showing up for tryouts and no one cared because they were building their own Club. It was a cycle of apathy. 2 years of Vienna coming in was not enough to fix the boys. Fair or not, that’s what ECNL gave them. I also think at the younger travel ages it was a wake up call on the Boys side.They are much more robust than the years before Brave. Hopefully that will help Fairfax Union succeed. |