I'm raising my daughter to be 'traditional wife' one day

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

+1. I hate feminist women who look down on women who are homemakers. Isn’t feminism about women having a choice and choosing what works for them?

I don’t see anything wrong I’m providing a loving home for your family and raising kids.

Feminism means I support your right to have a choice. It doesn’t mean I have to agree with or encourage the choice you make. Just like women who do sex work— I don’t want them to go to jail but it’s not what I want for my daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Are you familiar with the term “revealed preferences”? It’s the Econ term for “look what people do not what people say”. Most married couples— are dual income.

And unless a housewife has income from a non-professional source, such as family money or investments, she’s a dependent.

Technically, yes. Practically, no. If she walks out today, DH would've to find cook, cleaner, nanny, tutor, therapist, may be a house manager too.

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*and start dating or paying for sex

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

My son wants to be a plumber and I am encouraging that… I’m imagining there will be fecal matter involved.

I bet you pay some poor woman to clean up your fecal matter, since you’re too good to clean your own toilets. You probably even pretend you don’t look down on her and consider her to be a lesser human than you. And you undoubtedly consider yourself to be a feminist. Gross.

We pay a husband and wife housekeeping team. I can’t say who does it all of the time but I’ve seen the husband do the bathrooms.

They’re a hardworking immigrant family whose children— boys and girls alike— being raised to excel in school and contribute at home.

Your son is being raised to deal with feces for money and independence, your daughter to deal with feces as a dependent. Again if you don’t think she deserves better I can’t tell you you’re wrong, I can just say my daughter is deserving of more.

People who see trad SAHP route as another way of life, are angling for an affluent set up, no toilet cleaning, for free or pay.

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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Well they are "dependent" on someone else to provide food, housing, transportation, etc.

So yeah, unless they are from a wealthy family, they are dependent.

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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Are you familiar with the term “revealed preferences”? It’s the Econ term for “look what people do not what people say”. Most married couples— are dual income.

And unless a housewife has income from a non-professional source, such as family money or investments, she’s a dependent.

Technically, yes. Practically, no. If she walks out today, DH would've to find cook, cleaner, nanny, tutor, therapist, may be a house manager too.

And since he has money, he could pay for those.

Whats a SAHP supposed to do? Oh right, get child support and alimony - again dependent on someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

My son wants to be a plumber and I am encouraging that… I’m imagining there will be fecal matter involved.

I bet you pay some poor woman to clean up your fecal matter, since you’re too good to clean your own toilets. You probably even pretend you don’t look down on her and consider her to be a lesser human than you. And you undoubtedly consider yourself to be a feminist. Gross.

We pay a husband and wife housekeeping team. I can’t say who does it all of the time but I’ve seen the husband do the bathrooms.

They’re a hardworking immigrant family whose children— boys and girls alike— being raised to excel in school and contribute at home.

Your son is being raised to deal with feces for money and independence, your daughter to deal with feces as a dependent. Again if you don’t think she deserves better I can’t tell you you’re wrong, I can just say my daughter is deserving of more.

People who see trad SAHP route as another way of life, are angling for an affluent set up, no toilet cleaning, for free or pay.

They’re definitely “angling” for it but that doesn’t mean they’re getting it. Top 1% earners typically marry highly educated and highly successful women— it’s called assoetive mating and it’s well documented. So the “tradwife” aspirants get the leftovers — and for leftovers why not just have a career and make money yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Are you familiar with the term “revealed preferences”? It’s the Econ term for “look what people do not what people say”. Most married couples— are dual income.

And unless a housewife has income from a non-professional source, such as family money or investments, she’s a dependent.

Technically, yes. Practically, no. If she walks out today, DH would've to find cook, cleaner, nanny, tutor, therapist, may be a house manager too.

Or just move in his younger girlfriend he’s been cheating with.

[Anonymous]

I'm a traditional sahm whatever... It's stupid to raise a girl to do this. With my particular strange background it happens to work perfectly, but it wouldn't if I had been forced into it.

Just be normal. Get a degree. Play sports. Do whatever everyone else is doing. Life plays itself out.

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I mean you can raise your daughter however you want, but I can assure you there are very few men out there who are capable of being “trad husbands.” Especially in the younger generations.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

My son wants to be a plumber and I am encouraging that… I’m imagining there will be fecal matter involved.

I bet you pay some poor woman to clean up your fecal matter, since you’re too good to clean your own toilets. You probably even pretend you don’t look down on her and consider her to be a lesser human than you. And you undoubtedly consider yourself to be a feminist. Gross.

We pay a husband and wife housekeeping team. I can’t say who does it all of the time but I’ve seen the husband do the bathrooms.

They’re a hardworking immigrant family whose children— boys and girls alike— being raised to excel in school and contribute at home.

Your son is being raised to deal with feces for money and independence, your daughter to deal with feces as a dependent. Again if you don’t think she deserves better I can’t tell you you’re wrong, I can just say my daughter is deserving of more.

LOL of course you have the unicorn egalitarian family cleaning team. BS.

But I do believe you pay hard working immigrants to serve you (funny how these menial tasks are suddenly respectable hard work when you talk about the hired help) - I’ll bet you pay them peanuts under the table while patting yourself on the back for “helping” them raise their KIDS to maybe someday be people you don’t look down on.

The fact that you think you’re too good to clean up your own mess and you’re raising your daughters to think the same says a lot about you as a person, but it’s not the feminist flex you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Are you familiar with the term “revealed preferences”? It’s the Econ term for “look what people do not what people say”. Most married couples— are dual income.

And unless a housewife has income from a non-professional source, such as family money or investments, she’s a dependent.

Technically, yes. Practically, no. If she walks out today, DH would've to find cook, cleaner, nanny, tutor, therapist, may be a house manager too.

And since he has money, he could pay for those.

Whats a SAHP supposed to do? Oh right, get child support and alimony - again dependent on someone else.

He has money until he gets laid off. Then what is he supposed to do? Collect unemployment for awhile and hope that someone else will give him a job. Doesn’t sound like he’s that independent to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

My son wants to be a plumber and I am encouraging that… I’m imagining there will be fecal matter involved.

I bet you pay some poor woman to clean up your fecal matter, since you’re too good to clean your own toilets. You probably even pretend you don’t look down on her and consider her to be a lesser human than you. And you undoubtedly consider yourself to be a feminist. Gross.

We pay a husband and wife housekeeping team. I can’t say who does it all of the time but I’ve seen the husband do the bathrooms.

They’re a hardworking immigrant family whose children— boys and girls alike— being raised to excel in school and contribute at home.

Your son is being raised to deal with feces for money and independence, your daughter to deal with feces as a dependent. Again if you don’t think she deserves better I can’t tell you you’re wrong, I can just say my daughter is deserving of more.

LOL of course you have the unicorn egalitarian family cleaning team. BS.

But I do believe you pay hard working immigrants to serve you (funny how these menial tasks are suddenly respectable hard work when you talk about the hired help) - I’ll bet you pay them peanuts under the table while patting yourself on the back for “helping” them raise their KIDS to maybe someday be people you don’t look down on.

The fact that you think you’re too good to clean up your own mess and you’re raising your daughters to think the same says a lot about you as a person, but it’s not the feminist flex you think it is.

You’ll find husband and wife teams are extremely common in the immigrant communities. Also mother-daughter, father-son.

And no, I don’t doubt that it’s hard work. It’s not the work I think is the best use of my time and I don’t think it’s the best thing my daughter can aspire to do with hers. If I needed to do it to give my kids a good life— of course I would— but I give them a much better life doing my job, which affords them many benefits.

But raise your daughter to be a housekeeper if you think it’s the best use of her talent. At least she’ll have a profession when her husband leaves her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

Are you familiar with the term “revealed preferences”? It’s the Econ term for “look what people do not what people say”. Most married couples— are dual income.

And unless a housewife has income from a non-professional source, such as family money or investments, she’s a dependent.

Technically, yes. Practically, no. If she walks out today, DH would've to find cook, cleaner, nanny, tutor, therapist, may be a house manager too.

And since he has money, he could pay for those.

Whats a SAHP supposed to do? Oh right, get child support and alimony - again dependent on someone else.

He has money until he gets laid off. Then what is he supposed to do? Collect unemployment for awhile and hope that someone else will give him a job. Doesn’t sound like he’s that independent to me.

Well its not like his wife is going to bother getting a job? How are you still denying that SAHP are dependent on their working spouses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean you can raise your daughter however you want, but I can assure you there are very few men out there who are capable of being “trad husbands.” Especially in the younger generations.

Oh I think being a “trad” husband is super easy. It’s being a good husband where so many men can’t cope these days.