Republican utopia - Texas!

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of posters would love to improve care for everyone, in TX or otherwise.

Passing these draconian laws is certainly not helping anything. OB/GYNs are leaving or retiring from red states to avoid being stuck in the legal and ethical peril that these laws put them into. Less doctors leads to even more maternal health deserts.

This story also has issues of lack of insurance, lack of paid leave and of course, immigration. Also issues that Rs and red states are pretty draconian about.

[Anonymous]

The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

LIAR

Posters have been advocating for universal health care and paid sick leave, for better social safety nets. There are multiple posts calling out conservatives for not supporting those things. Why are you lying? Because you know you have no argument and because conservatives like you don't want universal health care or universal paid sick leave, which would help women in situations like this. Admit it.

Plus you are completely ignoring that ob/gyns are fleeing states with draconian abortion laws making it much much harder for women especially in rural areas to get the care they need.

The conservative solution, as one PP actually proposed, is that people MOVE to a liberal urban area get better care. WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone should’ve helped her get out of the state, up to Colorado or someplace else, to get her abortion. This is a failure on all our parts. We need to be helping women get out of places like this, not laughing at them because they died being forced to carry a pregnancy

Someone should not have to travel like to to get proper medical care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone should’ve helped her get out of the state, up to Colorado or someplace else, to get her abortion. This is a failure on all our parts. We need to be helping women get out of places like this, not laughing at them because they died being forced to carry a pregnancy

Someone should not have to travel like to to get proper medical care.

Unfortunately, if someone lives in the middle of the desert in a rural area, they have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

LIAR

Posters have been advocating for universal health care and paid sick leave, for better social safety nets. There are multiple posts calling out conservatives for not supporting those things. Why are you lying? Because you know you have no argument and because conservatives like you don't want universal health care or universal paid sick leave, which would help women in situations like this. Admit it.

Plus you are completely ignoring that ob/gyns are fleeing states with draconian abortion laws making it much much harder for women especially in rural areas to get the care they need.

The conservative solution, as one PP actually proposed, is that people MOVE to a liberal urban area get better care. WTF

Health care facilities don’t have a political party. There aren’t republican or democrat hospitals, they are medical treatment facilities that administer medical care to everyone who needs it.

Texas doesn’t choose where there citizens choose to live, does any state do that?

How is universal healthcare going to provide geographically isolated pregnant women access to the healthcare they need?

The bratty poster who posts Liar! is back. Let’s not judge too harshly, they actually might be a child. They seem to think hospitals are “liberal” in cities and “conservative” in rural areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

LIAR

Posters have been advocating for universal health care and paid sick leave, for better social safety nets. There are multiple posts calling out conservatives for not supporting those things. Why are you lying? Because you know you have no argument and because conservatives like you don't want universal health care or universal paid sick leave, which would help women in situations like this. Admit it.

Plus you are completely ignoring that ob/gyns are fleeing states with draconian abortion laws making it much much harder for women especially in rural areas to get the care they need.

The conservative solution, as one PP actually proposed, is that people MOVE to a liberal urban area get better care. WTF

Health care facilities don’t have a political party. There aren’t republican or democrat hospitals, they are medical treatment facilities that administer medical care to everyone who needs it.

Texas doesn’t choose where there citizens choose to live, does any state do that?

How is universal healthcare going to provide geographically isolated pregnant women access to the healthcare they need?

The bratty poster who posts Liar! is back. Let’s not judge too harshly, they actually might be a child. They seem to think hospitals are “liberal” in cities and “conservative” in rural areas.

It was a conservative PP who said the dead woman should have moved to a city to get better care.

Hospitals might not be liberal or conservative (though certain religious ones ARE conservative in what they offer patients in the realm of reproductive health--surely you know that). But some hospitals are better equipped and and some are more poorly equipped and if you have a serious illness you'd probably prefer to be in the better equipped one, now, wouldn't you? And where do you think the highest rated, best equipped hospitals are?

Universal health care will mean patients don't decide not to get treatment because they are worried about paying for it. Paid sick leave means a patient from a rural area might agree to travel to a better hospital to get treatment if they know they will not lose their job and will not lose a paycheck to do it.

Not having draconian laws limiting physician's options to treat their patients, written by non-medical specialists who have no clue about women's bodies, will go a long way to stemming the hemorrhaging of ob/gyns from a state. Do you disagree with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

LIAR

Posters have been advocating for universal health care and paid sick leave, for better social safety nets. There are multiple posts calling out conservatives for not supporting those things. Why are you lying? Because you know you have no argument and because conservatives like you don't want universal health care or universal paid sick leave, which would help women in situations like this. Admit it.

Plus you are completely ignoring that ob/gyns are fleeing states with draconian abortion laws making it much much harder for women especially in rural areas to get the care they need.

The conservative solution, as one PP actually proposed, is that people MOVE to a liberal urban area get better care. WTF

Health care facilities don’t have a political party. There aren’t republican or democrat hospitals, they are medical treatment facilities that administer medical care to everyone who needs it.

Texas doesn’t choose where there citizens choose to live, does any state do that?

How is universal healthcare going to provide geographically isolated pregnant women access to the healthcare they need?

The bratty poster who posts Liar! is back. Let’s not judge too harshly, they actually might be a child. They seem to think hospitals are “liberal” in cities and “conservative” in rural areas.

It was a conservative PP who said the dead woman should have moved to a city to get better care.

No, conservative pp said that the dead woman had made many choices regarding her life and medical care. There are a lot of what ifs being proposed in this thread. That the woman had chosen to live in an area that had better hospitals was an example of a what if. No state tells their citizens where to live. This woman and her family chose to live where they wanted to live

Hospitals might not be liberal or conservative (though certain religious ones ARE conservative in what they offer patients in the realm of reproductive health--surely you know that). But some hospitals are better equipped and and some are more poorly equipped and if you have a serious illness you'd probably prefer to be in the better equipped one, now, wouldn't you? And where do you think the highest rated, best equipped hospitals are? Urban areas in most cases. Some urban hospitals deliver very poor care to their patients, though. We have a very specialized clinic in our town in a rural area with a population of less than 20,000. People come from all over the country and the world to receive services from this specific medical clinic. Doctors choose where they work and can’t be forced to take a job somewhere they do not want to live, anyway. From the article: “Where else but in this stinker of a town would there be so many aunts and cousins excited to meet a newborn, and to help?” This woman chose to be near the her family.

Universal health care will mean patients don't decide not to get treatment because they are worried about paying for it. This patient qualified for medical care but didn’t have it. Why not? Having health insurance doesn’t mean you will receive good medical care or any medical care at all. If this woman had universal healthcare, where would she have received treatment in her town? Is universal healthcare going to build advanced maternal hospitals in every small town in the United States and staff each hospital with highly trained and certified maternal care providers? They are? How?

Paid sick leave means a patient from a rural area might agree to travel to a better hospital to get treatment if they know they will not lose their job and will not lose a paycheck to do it. How did this woman qualify for paid sick leave? There are no federal legal requirements for paid sick leave. Currently in the United States, federal law doesn’t guarantee workers a single paid day off, and many aren’t even entitled to unpaid time. Who when where why how will that be changed and every American given paid sick leave? And at any rate: this woman was too sick to work. She should not have been working, her mom said she should quit her job. “Leticia urged her to quit her job and stay home until Selene was born. But Yeni needed the money. How else would Selene’s needs be covered? “I’m fine,” she insisted. Leticia, though, could hear how Yeni dragged her feet when she came home from work. No mention of her husband’s job? He was an Army Reserve Soldier. Why didn’t he purchase health care through Tricare? Both he and his wife were eligible? The poor woman should have had Tricare.

Not having draconian laws limiting physician's options to treat their patients, written by non-medical specialists who have no clue about women's bodies, will go a long way to stemming the hemorrhaging of ob/gyns from a state. Do you disagree with that?
This woman was not hemorrhaging. This woman was not affected by any laws. She was undergoing a high risk pregnancy, didn’t have her medical needs being treated adequately, didn’t have the medication she needed, was not being supported by her spouse adequately, and was morbidly obese and diabetic. She didn’t want an abortion and told her mom she wanted her baby’s life to be saved before her own. You don’t need to agree with that, because those are facts. Women in America are never forced to abort a wanted pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Her husband was a Reservist in the Army; poor dead woman and her poor dead baby should have had Tricare.


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[Anonymous]

Do they check immigration status of spouse for tri care?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only solution proposed by people posting here is abortion. Abortion is not going to stop women from getting pregnant or experiencing high risk pregnancies.

Women deserve to have appropriate medical care when pregnant. Abortion is not a solution for all women. It is not the best solution for all women. It should not be the solution a woman is forced to accept. It will cause women to die because some women-like this woman- want their babies. Yes, there are women who consider their unborn babies to be just as important as they are, shocking. Women tell their doctors every day they do not want to abort their sick baby or baby with birth defects. Doctors can sometimes medically treat babies before they are born to correct their conditions or improve their chance of survival.

Are people advocating for abortion as the only solution because they don’t consider some women and their unborn babies to not be worthy of the cost to treat their complications?
If people truly care about women and say that women should be in charge of their own bodies, their own pregnancies, their own health, that means they should receive the care they want to support their decision. Abortion does not give a pregnant woman the care she needs to safely continue her pregnancy and safely deliver her wanted baby.

When you advocate for the rights of all women, including those who choose to continue their pregnancies, as strongly and as passionately you do for the right for women to have an abortion, I will believe you actually care about the rights of women to make individual reproductive choices. Until then, you aren’t advocating for women, you are advocating for abortion.

LIAR

Posters have been advocating for universal health care and paid sick leave, for better social safety nets. There are multiple posts calling out conservatives for not supporting those things. Why are you lying? Because you know you have no argument and because conservatives like you don't want universal health care or universal paid sick leave, which would help women in situations like this. Admit it.

Plus you are completely ignoring that ob/gyns are fleeing states with draconian abortion laws making it much much harder for women especially in rural areas to get the care they need.

The conservative solution, as one PP actually proposed, is that people MOVE to a liberal urban area get better care. WTF

Health care facilities don’t have a political party. There aren’t republican or democrat hospitals, they are medical treatment facilities that administer medical care to everyone who needs it.

Texas doesn’t choose where there citizens choose to live, does any state do that?

How is universal healthcare going to provide geographically isolated pregnant women access to the healthcare they need?

The bratty poster who posts Liar! is back. Let’s not judge too harshly, they actually might be a child. They seem to think hospitals are “liberal” in cities and “conservative” in rural areas.

It was a conservative PP who said the dead woman should have moved to a city to get better care.

No, conservative pp said that the dead woman had made many choices regarding her life and medical care. There are a lot of what ifs being proposed in this thread. That the woman had chosen to live in an area that had better hospitals was an example of a what if. No state tells their citizens where to live. This woman and her family chose to live where they wanted to live

Hospitals might not be liberal or conservative (though certain religious ones ARE conservative in what they offer patients in the realm of reproductive health--surely you know that). But some hospitals are better equipped and and some are more poorly equipped and if you have a serious illness you'd probably prefer to be in the better equipped one, now, wouldn't you? And where do you think the highest rated, best equipped hospitals are? Urban areas in most cases. Some urban hospitals deliver very poor care to their patients, though. We have a very specialized clinic in our town in a rural area with a population of less than 20,000. People come from all over the country and the world to receive services from this specific medical clinic. Doctors choose where they work and can’t be forced to take a job somewhere they do not want to live, anyway. From the article: “Where else but in this stinker of a town would there be so many aunts and cousins excited to meet a newborn, and to help?” This woman chose to be near the her family.

Universal health care will mean patients don't decide not to get treatment because they are worried about paying for it. This patient qualified for medical care but didn’t have it. Why not? Having health insurance doesn’t mean you will receive good medical care or any medical care at all. If this woman had universal healthcare, where would she have received treatment in her town? Is universal healthcare going to build advanced maternal hospitals in every small town in the United States and staff each hospital with highly trained and certified maternal care providers? They are? How?

Paid sick leave means a patient from a rural area might agree to travel to a better hospital to get treatment if they know they will not lose their job and will not lose a paycheck to do it. How did this woman qualify for paid sick leave? There are no federal legal requirements for paid sick leave. Currently in the United States, federal law doesn’t guarantee workers a single paid day off, and many aren’t even entitled to unpaid time. Who when where why how will that be changed and every American given paid sick leave? And at any rate: this woman was too sick to work. She should not have been working, her mom said she should quit her job. “Leticia urged her to quit her job and stay home until Selene was born. But Yeni needed the money. How else would Selene’s needs be covered? “I’m fine,” she insisted. Leticia, though, could hear how Yeni dragged her feet when she came home from work. No mention of her husband’s job? He was an Army Reserve Soldier. Why didn’t he purchase health care through Tricare? Both he and his wife were eligible? The poor woman should have had Tricare.

Not having draconian laws limiting physician's options to treat their patients, written by non-medical specialists who have no clue about women's bodies, will go a long way to stemming the hemorrhaging of ob/gyns from a state. Do you disagree with that?
This woman was not hemorrhaging. This woman was not affected by any laws. She was undergoing a high risk pregnancy, didn’t have her medical needs being treated adequately, didn’t have the medication she needed, was not being supported by her spouse adequately, and was morbidly obese and diabetic. She didn’t want an abortion and told her mom she wanted her baby’s life to be saved before her own. You don’t need to agree with that, because those are facts. Women in America are never forced to abort a wanted pregnancy.

Are you seriously suggesting that moving away from family she was helping to care for and a much needed job was a viable option for this woman to deal with a crisis pregnancy? WTF Talk about being out of touch. What an elitist thing to say.

And no one said she had paid sick leave. That is the f-n problem in the US. Which party opposes universal paid sick leave? It’s the one that dares to style itself “pro-life.” Sickening.

And you either willfully misread the last point about states hemoragghing ob/guns because of their stupid abortion laws or you don’t have very good reading comprehension

At any rate the conservative disdain for poor people is duly noted.

[Anonymous]

Luling is 51 minutes away from Austin, the state capitol. There are good hospitals in Austin. With her Tricare health insurance, she could have obtained specialized pregnancy care just 51 miles away, from a good liberal doctor in a good liberal city.

This woman didn’t need a therapeutic abortion to treat a high risk, wanted, pregnancy. She needed to be enrolled in Tricare then given appropriate treatment from her ob-gyn in Austin, who could have managed her pregnancy so that both she and her baby could have lived, and had the happy lives they deserved.

But instead, she and her baby died and her husband left town with her car. And people here are just sure she should have aborted her baby because Texas is a draconian sanctuary for evil republicans who enjoy death and suffering.

Dependents of Military personnel who are enrolled in Tricare can also be eligible for Medicaid. Tricare will pay first, and Medicaid will be responsible for whatever amount Tricare does not cover. This dead woman, on the surface, was possibly eligible for both Tricare and Medicaid. Why she had neither is really unexplained and a tragedy for her, her daughter, and her family.

She didn’t need an abortion and didn’t need to die. She suffered greatly before her death and had the correct paperwork been submitted, she would not have had to work while dying to cover the costs of her care, hospitalizations, and medication. I don’t think her death is a good illustration of reasons why women in Texas are suffering from lack of access to abortion.

[Anonymous]

They were very newly married. Sometimes it takes a while to get paperwork taken care of. Is it possible that the marriage wasn’t legal? I don’t know a lot about how those who are undocumented skirt these things to stay off the books. I know that lots of long married couples “divorce” on paper for retirement benefit reasons. Is it possible that their ceremony wasn’t a legal one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Luling is 51 minutes away from Austin, the state capitol. There are good hospitals in Austin. With her Tricare health insurance, she could have obtained specialized pregnancy care just 51 miles away, from a good liberal doctor in a good liberal city.

This woman didn’t need a therapeutic abortion to treat a high risk, wanted, pregnancy. She needed to be enrolled in Tricare then given appropriate treatment from her ob-gyn in Austin, who could have managed her pregnancy so that both she and her baby could have lived, and had the happy lives they deserved.

But instead, she and her baby died and her husband left town with her car. And people here are just sure she should have aborted her baby because Texas is a draconian sanctuary for evil republicans who enjoy death and suffering.

Dependents of Military personnel who are enrolled in Tricare can also be eligible for Medicaid. Tricare will pay first, and Medicaid will be responsible for whatever amount Tricare does not cover. This dead woman, on the surface, was possibly eligible for both Tricare and Medicaid. Why she had neither is really unexplained and a tragedy for her, her daughter, and her family.

She didn’t need an abortion and didn’t need to die. She suffered greatly before her death and had the correct paperwork been submitted, she would not have had to work while dying to cover the costs of her care, hospitalizations, and medication. I don’t think her death is a good illustration of reasons why women in Texas are suffering from lack of access to abortion.

You really are obsessed with that car, aren't you?

And sure, let's say this woman made a lot of bad choices so she deserved to die, as you seem to be suggesting.

What about the women who make all the "right" choices and would like to have a therapeutic abortion because they aren't willing to risk their life for whatever personal reason they have -- are you suggesting that choice should NOT be available to them? yes or no, it's a simple answer. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

There doesn’t seem to be very much in this article at all about the husband. Other than knowing she texted him about bills and he took the car, we don’t know much else. Oh, and that the couple were living with her family.

Probably a function of him not wanting to talk about it, but we really have very little idea of what his involvement or not was.