Republican utopia - Texas!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They were very newly married. Sometimes it takes a while to get paperwork taken care of. Is it possible that the marriage wasn’t legal? I don’t know a lot about how those who are undocumented skirt these things to stay off the books. I know that lots of long married couples “divorce” on paper for retirement benefit reasons. Is it possible that their ceremony wasn’t a legal one?

If we don’t know these things, and we do not, we cannot figure out what really happened in this case.

If she wasn’t “truly” married to her husband, then she was eligible for medicaid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were very newly married. Sometimes it takes a while to get paperwork taken care of. Is it possible that the marriage wasn’t legal? I don’t know a lot about how those who are undocumented skirt these things to stay off the books. I know that lots of long married couples “divorce” on paper for retirement benefit reasons. Is it possible that their ceremony wasn’t a legal one?

If we don’t know these things, and we do not, we cannot figure out what really happened in this case.

If she wasn’t “truly” married to her husband, then she was eligible for medicaid.

Which of course involves paperwork that many don’t feel comfortable filling out, for a multitude of reasons.

My BIL’s idiot baby momma failed to file paperwork for all the social programs they were eligible for, and our niece and nephew were uninsured for a time. They live in TX, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Luling is 51 minutes away from Austin, the state capitol. There are good hospitals in Austin. With her Tricare health insurance, she could have obtained specialized pregnancy care just 51 miles away, from a good liberal doctor in a good liberal city.

This woman didn’t need a therapeutic abortion to treat a high risk, wanted, pregnancy. She needed to be enrolled in Tricare then given appropriate treatment from her ob-gyn in Austin, who could have managed her pregnancy so that both she and her baby could have lived, and had the happy lives they deserved.

But instead, she and her baby died and her husband left town with her car. And people here are just sure she should have aborted her baby because Texas is a draconian sanctuary for evil republicans who enjoy death and suffering.

Dependents of Military personnel who are enrolled in Tricare can also be eligible for Medicaid. Tricare will pay first, and Medicaid will be responsible for whatever amount Tricare does not cover. This dead woman, on the surface, was possibly eligible for both Tricare and Medicaid. Why she had neither is really unexplained and a tragedy for her, her daughter, and her family.

She didn’t need an abortion and didn’t need to die. She suffered greatly before her death and had the correct paperwork been submitted, she would not have had to work while dying to cover the costs of her care, hospitalizations, and medication. I don’t think her death is a good illustration of reasons why women in Texas are suffering from lack of access to abortion.

You really are obsessed with that car, aren't you?

And sure, let's say this woman made a lot of bad choices so she deserved to die, as you seem to be suggesting.

What about the women who make all the "right" choices and would like to have a therapeutic abortion because they aren't willing to risk their life for whatever personal reason they have -- are you suggesting that choice should NOT be available to them? yes or no, it's a simple answer. Thanks.

This woman did absolutely nothing wrong. She deserved to have a safe pregnancy and delivery. She deserved to give birth to her beautiful baby girl and raise her baby with joy and love with her family in Luling. Period.

She was eligible for medicaid, and probably Tricare. Either one or both of those programs would have been sufficient. They would have covered all of her medical care and medications. She should have had access to an ob-gyn that specialized in high risk pregnancy in Austin, 51 miles away.

She should have been on doctor recommended bed rest instead of working while dying, caring for a quadriplegic patient. She could not even care for herself, much less a severely disabled person.

You don’t care about this specific woman, and her death, and her daughter’s death. Those details aren’t important because she didn’t want an abortion, even though everyone posting on dcum has decided that was her solution. Oh yes, the highly trained and specialized abortion advocates posting on dcum just KNOW she needed an abortion.

This poor woman and her baby are being used to advocate for something that would not have helped her get what she wanted and deserved: her baby. But you all will dig in and keep harping and harping about abortion in this poor dead woman’s memory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They were very newly married. Sometimes it takes a while to get paperwork taken care of. Is it possible that the marriage wasn’t legal? I don’t know a lot about how those who are undocumented skirt these things to stay off the books. I know that lots of long married couples “divorce” on paper for retirement benefit reasons. Is it possible that their ceremony wasn’t a legal one?

If we don’t know these things, and we do not, we cannot figure out what really happened in this case.

If she wasn’t “truly” married to her husband, then she was eligible for medicaid.

Which of course involves paperwork that many don’t feel comfortable filling out, for a multitude of reasons.

My BIL’s idiot baby momma failed to file paperwork for all the social programs they were eligible for, and our niece and nephew were uninsured for a time. They live in TX, too.

Foreign born spouses are enrolled in DEERS everyday. The Army has a free legal office to assist these families. Military wives born in foreign countries are not rare.

The government makes people fill out the paperwork. Why would they have rules to make people feel uncomfortable? You will have to call your representative and ask them specifically about why the government made rules like that.

The government and their rules are very difficult to navigate, aren’t they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Luling is 51 minutes away from Austin, the state capitol. There are good hospitals in Austin. With her Tricare health insurance, she could have obtained specialized pregnancy care just 51 miles away, from a good liberal doctor in a good liberal city.

This woman didn’t need a therapeutic abortion to treat a high risk, wanted, pregnancy. She needed to be enrolled in Tricare then given appropriate treatment from her ob-gyn in Austin, who could have managed her pregnancy so that both she and her baby could have lived, and had the happy lives they deserved.

But instead, she and her baby died and her husband left town with her car. And people here are just sure she should have aborted her baby because Texas is a draconian sanctuary for evil republicans who enjoy death and suffering.

Dependents of Military personnel who are enrolled in Tricare can also be eligible for Medicaid. Tricare will pay first, and Medicaid will be responsible for whatever amount Tricare does not cover. This dead woman, on the surface, was possibly eligible for both Tricare and Medicaid. Why she had neither is really unexplained and a tragedy for her, her daughter, and her family.

She didn’t need an abortion and didn’t need to die. She suffered greatly before her death and had the correct paperwork been submitted, she would not have had to work while dying to cover the costs of her care, hospitalizations, and medication. I don’t think her death is a good illustration of reasons why women in Texas are suffering from lack of access to abortion.

You really are obsessed with that car, aren't you?

And sure, let's say this woman made a lot of bad choices so she deserved to die, as you seem to be suggesting.

What about the women who make all the "right" choices and would like to have a therapeutic abortion because they aren't willing to risk their life for whatever personal reason they have -- are you suggesting that choice should NOT be available to them? yes or no, it's a simple answer. Thanks.

This woman did absolutely nothing wrong. She deserved to have a safe pregnancy and delivery. She deserved to give birth to her beautiful baby girl and raise her baby with joy and love with her family in Luling. Period.

She was eligible for medicaid, and probably Tricare. Either one or both of those programs would have been sufficient. They would have covered all of her medical care and medications. She should have had access to an ob-gyn that specialized in high risk pregnancy in Austin, 51 miles away.

She should have been on doctor recommended bed rest instead of working while dying, caring for a quadriplegic patient. She could not even care for herself, much less a severely disabled person.

You don’t care about this specific woman, and her death, and her daughter’s death. Those details aren’t important because she didn’t want an abortion, even though everyone posting on dcum has decided that was her solution. Oh yes, the highly trained and specialized abortion advocates posting on dcum just KNOW she needed an abortion.

This poor woman and her baby are being used to advocate for something that would not have helped her get what she wanted and deserved: her baby. But you all will dig in and keep harping and harping about abortion in this poor dead woman’s memory.

I'll take that as a big fat NO -- that, in your opinion, a woman who has made all the right choices but wants to have a therapeutic abortion on a troubled pregnancy should NOT have that option available. Thanks for clarifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Luling is 51 minutes away from Austin, the state capitol. There are good hospitals in Austin. With her Tricare health insurance, she could have obtained specialized pregnancy care just 51 miles away, from a good liberal doctor in a good liberal city.

This woman didn’t need a therapeutic abortion to treat a high risk, wanted, pregnancy. She needed to be enrolled in Tricare then given appropriate treatment from her ob-gyn in Austin, who could have managed her pregnancy so that both she and her baby could have lived, and had the happy lives they deserved.

But instead, she and her baby died and her husband left town with her car. And people here are just sure she should have aborted her baby because Texas is a draconian sanctuary for evil republicans who enjoy death and suffering.

Dependents of Military personnel who are enrolled in Tricare can also be eligible for Medicaid. Tricare will pay first, and Medicaid will be responsible for whatever amount Tricare does not cover. This dead woman, on the surface, was possibly eligible for both Tricare and Medicaid. Why she had neither is really unexplained and a tragedy for her, her daughter, and her family.

She didn’t need an abortion and didn’t need to die. She suffered greatly before her death and had the correct paperwork been submitted, she would not have had to work while dying to cover the costs of her care, hospitalizations, and medication. I don’t think her death is a good illustration of reasons why women in Texas are suffering from lack of access to abortion.

You really are obsessed with that car, aren't you?

And sure, let's say this woman made a lot of bad choices so she deserved to die, as you seem to be suggesting.

What about the women who make all the "right" choices and would like to have a therapeutic abortion because they aren't willing to risk their life for whatever personal reason they have -- are you suggesting that choice should NOT be available to them? yes or no, it's a simple answer. Thanks.

This woman did absolutely nothing wrong. She deserved to have a safe pregnancy and delivery. She deserved to give birth to her beautiful baby girl and raise her baby with joy and love with her family in Luling. Period.

She was eligible for medicaid, and probably Tricare. Either one or both of those programs would have been sufficient. They would have covered all of her medical care and medications. She should have had access to an ob-gyn that specialized in high risk pregnancy in Austin, 51 miles away.

She should have been on doctor recommended bed rest instead of working while dying, caring for a quadriplegic patient. She could not even care for herself, much less a severely disabled person.

You don’t care about this specific woman, and her death, and her daughter’s death. Those details aren’t important because she didn’t want an abortion, even though everyone posting on dcum has decided that was her solution. Oh yes, the highly trained and specialized abortion advocates posting on dcum just KNOW she needed an abortion.

This poor woman and her baby are being used to advocate for something that would not have helped her get what she wanted and deserved: her baby. But you all will dig in and keep harping and harping about abortion in this poor dead woman’s memory.

Where's your call for universal paid sick leave so that women like this patient can actually afford the bed rest recommended by their doctors? I did not see it in your post.

[Anonymous]

As a counter point, here’s an article with a happy ending. Similar story: A pregnancy was killing a woman. But they were in CA and the woman had a therapeutic abortion and survived.

https://wapo.st/3S8Iqd5

[Anonymous]

The Woman was sick and dying
She did not have the ability, money, or time to care for herself
Her only option becomes abortion, or death.
The baby’s death was a foregone conclusion in this scenario.
The mother’s death was preventable with an abortion.
Harping on the medical care she should have had isn’t helpful to the woman, once she needs the abortion.
Did her doctors make the likely outcomes clear to her? Doubtful due to the laws in Texas.
Sure she wanted her baby. But there is a point when that pregnancy wasn’t going to result in a healthy baby. Was she made aware of the facts? Was she able to make an informed decision?
Doubtful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although some women with the same conditions as Yeni—hypertension, diabetes, a history of pulmonary edema, severe obesity—

This woman and her baby died from medical complications from obesity. Morbid obesity.

Cause of death: Hypertensive cardiovascular disease associated with morbid obesity

other contributing factors
Pregnancy

She wanted to be pregnant and wanted her baby.

Texas is a huge state. Specialized medical doctors are not available in small towns in most states.

I don’t know why the mother wasn’t on medicaid to receive medical benefits. She qualified for them.

That's a very long winded way of deflecting from the obvious here: Half the counties in Texas, and this woman's hospital, no longer have an obstetrician or midwife. Using a euphemism like "Specialized medical doctor" cannot hide the shocking truth here. We aren't talking about a niche health care need here!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Woman was sick and dying
She did not have the ability, money, or time to care for herself
Her only option becomes abortion, or death.
The baby’s death was a foregone conclusion in this scenario.
The mother’s death was preventable with an abortion.
Harping on the medical care she should have had isn’t helpful to the woman, once she needs the abortion.
Did her doctors make the likely outcomes clear to her? Doubtful due to the laws in Texas.
Sure she wanted her baby. But there is a point when that pregnancy wasn’t going to result in a healthy baby. Was she made aware of the facts? Was she able to make an informed decision?
Doubtful

She had a loser husband who didn’t do a single thing to help her get the medical insurance she qualified for.

She could have been treated by a high risk ob-gyn 51 miles and had her medications paid for and been in compliance with the treatment she needed. She improved and went downhill again because she was non-compliant with her medication.

Why wasn’t her husband helping her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Woman was sick and dying
She did not have the ability, money, or time to care for herself
Her only option becomes abortion, or death.
The baby’s death was a foregone conclusion in this scenario.
The mother’s death was preventable with an abortion.
Harping on the medical care she should have had isn’t helpful to the woman, once she needs the abortion.
Did her doctors make the likely outcomes clear to her? Doubtful due to the laws in Texas.
Sure she wanted her baby. But there is a point when that pregnancy wasn’t going to result in a healthy baby. Was she made aware of the facts? Was she able to make an informed decision?
Doubtful

She had a loser husband who didn’t do a single thing to help her get the medical insurance she qualified for.

She could have been treated by a high risk ob-gyn 51 miles and had her medications paid for and been in compliance with the treatment she needed. She improved and went downhill again because she was non-compliant with her medication.

Why wasn’t her husband helping her?

That is irrelevant once the woman needs an abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Woman was sick and dying
She did not have the ability, money, or time to care for herself
Her only option becomes abortion, or death.
The baby’s death was a foregone conclusion in this scenario.
The mother’s death was preventable with an abortion.
Harping on the medical care she should have had isn’t helpful to the woman, once she needs the abortion.
Did her doctors make the likely outcomes clear to her? Doubtful due to the laws in Texas.
Sure she wanted her baby. But there is a point when that pregnancy wasn’t going to result in a healthy baby. Was she made aware of the facts? Was she able to make an informed decision?
Doubtful

She had a loser husband who didn’t do a single thing to help her get the medical insurance she qualified for.

She could have been treated by a high risk ob-gyn 51 miles and had her medications paid for and been in compliance with the treatment she needed. She improved and went downhill again because she was non-compliant with her medication.

Why wasn’t her husband helping her?

This is the Republican talking point - to insult people including US servicemen and blame people for their bad choice to grow up and remain poor. Refuse to look into the circumstances that made a patient decide not to go on bed rest or the barriers in the way of driving 51 miles for ob appointments. Talk about elitism!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a counter point, here’s an article with a happy ending. Similar story: A pregnancy was killing a woman. But they were in CA and the woman had a therapeutic abortion and survived.

https://wapo.st/3S8Iqd5

+1

[Anonymous]

Am I the only person who noticed that the healthcare system that she was being treated in was Catholic, which adds another layer to this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Woman was sick and dying
She did not have the ability, money, or time to care for herself
Her only option becomes abortion, or death.
The baby’s death was a foregone conclusion in this scenario.
The mother’s death was preventable with an abortion.
Harping on the medical care she should have had isn’t helpful to the woman, once she needs the abortion.
Did her doctors make the likely outcomes clear to her? Doubtful due to the laws in Texas.
Sure she wanted her baby. But there is a point when that pregnancy wasn’t going to result in a healthy baby. Was she made aware of the facts? Was she able to make an informed decision?
Doubtful

She had a loser husband who didn’t do a single thing to help her get the medical insurance she qualified for.

She could have been treated by a high risk ob-gyn 51 miles and had her medications paid for and been in compliance with the treatment she needed. She improved and went downhill again because she was non-compliant with her medication.

Why wasn’t her husband helping her?

I think it is a stretch to conclude he was a loser based on the very little info we have about him. As I posted above, we seem to have about 3 data points from this story and that’s IT. No real conclusions can be drawn from those.