Republican utopia - Texas!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are certifiable. This poor woman was morbidly obese and had been diagnosed with diabetes before she was 30 years old. She wanted her baby. She did not want an abortion. She told her own mother that if something went wrong with her pregnancy, to save the life of her baby before her life.

She did what every woman here whines about 24/7/365: made her own reproductive choices.

The part I really don’t understand is that she definitely was able to qualify for medicaid, and should have received medicaid to pay for her doctor and hospital bills. It’s odd that when she was hospitalized a social worker didn’t visit her in the hospital to help her complete an application. It’s really weird one of her family members or her HUSBAND didn’t help her get the paperwork done so she could get health insurance. She seemed like a loving, caring woman who would go out of her way to help loved ones, but when she was pregnant, they couldn’t drive her to the social services office to speak with a customer service representative and get her overwhelming need for healthcare insurance taken care of. Her husband or mom should have done that immediately.

This is a sad story and I am sorry for this woman and her baby girl. Her family sucks because she was sick, and needed someone to help her get her health insurance and nobody did. She was deathly ill working a job, where the hell was everyone who loved her then? She needed their support then. They could have financially helped her and her obviously deadbeat husband while she was pregnant and in and out of the hospital. At the very least helped her coordinate her medicaid application. It can be backdated from the day you apply. All she had to do was apply; when she got approved, Medicaid would have paid her accumulated medical bills. Her family failed her.

What did she say when her doctors suggested the best course of action when she first had difficulties in her pregnancy might be to terminate the pregnancy? Oh, you can't say because her doctors weren't allowed to tell her that because she lived in Texas.

So spare us. She also lived in a state that is hemorrhaging ob/gyns because they don't want to work in a state with such draconian laws. She also lives in country where one party doesn't want there to be universal health care and thinks it's just too bad if people are too poor to pay for health care so they do without.

You want to know where everyone who loved her when she was deathly ill working a job? They were also working jobs so they could pay their bills and support themselves. Did you not read the article where she had 2 siblings with special needs? Did you not read where she had applied for help but hadn't heard back? Did you not read where her mother tried to get her to stay home on bed rest and she said she couldn't because they needed her salary. Welcome to the USA. This is your country and this is the reality of many many many poor pregnant women. A reality that the GOP refuses to acknowledge.

It's because of people like you that we think conservatives are totally devoid of empathy and lack of understanding for the difficulties and challenges facing those on the low end of the socio-economic scale.

[Anonymous]

You’ve got to wonder how many women have died in these forced birther states and it just isn’t going to get reported for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You people are certifiable. This poor woman was morbidly obese and had been diagnosed with diabetes before she was 30 years old. She wanted her baby. She did not want an abortion. She told her own mother that if something went wrong with her pregnancy, to save the life of her baby before her life.

She did what every woman here whines about 24/7/365: made her own reproductive choices.

The part I really don’t understand is that she definitely was able to qualify for medicaid, and should have received medicaid to pay for her doctor and hospital bills. It’s odd that when she was hospitalized a social worker didn’t visit her in the hospital to help her complete an application. It’s really weird one of her family members or her HUSBAND didn’t help her get the paperwork done so she could get health insurance. She seemed like a loving, caring woman who would go out of her way to help loved ones, but when she was pregnant, they couldn’t drive her to the social services office to speak with a customer service representative and get her overwhelming need for healthcare insurance taken care of. Her husband or mom should have done that immediately.

This is a sad story and I am sorry for this woman and her baby girl. Her family sucks because she was sick, and needed someone to help her get her health insurance and nobody did. She was deathly ill working a job, where the hell was everyone who loved her then? She needed their support then. They could have financially helped her and her obviously deadbeat husband while she was pregnant and in and out of the hospital. At the very least helped her coordinate her medicaid application. It can be backdated from the day you apply. All she had to do was apply; when she got approved, Medicaid would have paid her accumulated medical bills. Her family failed her.

THIS!
But in DCUM land, her choice was the wrong choice.
So many things went wrong in this case....... but let's make Texas the boogie man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We won’t really know what her choice was, because she didn’t have one.
I remember reading an article about a Covid denier who rode his bike to Sturgis, before there was an available vaccine.
He felt super good about his choice on his ride out to the rally. He literally said if he died, well so be it, he was doing what he loved.
Cut to him in the ICU a month later. He didn’t want to die was regretting his decision.
But at least he had a choice.
Was this woman made aware of the risks and consequences? I’m skeptical.
Keeping women in the dark about their circumstances and the best medical advice isn’t pro life.

We do know what this woman thought:

“Leticia wasn’t as sure, recalling something Yeni said in passing after her improvement in the Austin I.C.U.: that if a doctor had to choose between saving her or saving Selene, her daughter should come first. Leticia had responded, half in jest, “And who exactly is going to take care of Selene?” “Well, you, Mami!” Yeni said. “Me?” Leticia teased. “If you leave, you better take Selene with you!” Laughing, the women laid the subject to rest, never to discuss it again."“

This loving mother told her mom her baby girl came first.

I really don’t know what you want to happen after a pregnant woman tells her own mother her baby comes first. The doctors to hold her down and an anesthesiologist administer general sedation and the medical team remove her healthy baby by force?

If anyone reads the linked article, they can read that this woman was morbidly obese, had diabetes, other significant health problems, was not enrolled in the medicaid program she was entitled to be receiving healthcare benefits from, working a physical job while very sick and pregnant, and unable to afford her needed medication because she was not enrolled in medicaid.

Her husband (who left town with her car after her and their baby girl’s death, weird) should have taken control of the situation and helped his wife enroll in medicaid and supported her financially while she was working and desperately ill. It’s a messed up situation that unfortunately ended in this woman and her baby dying. She didn’t want an abortion.

Pretty soon, news stories about pregnant women being killed by their husbands and boyfriends (which happens all too often tragically, it’s scary) and democrats will be blaming their deaths on their inability to get abortions After all, if the women could have only killed their unborn babies, their husbands/boyfriends wouldn’t have had to kill them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We won’t really know what her choice was, because she didn’t have one.
I remember reading an article about a Covid denier who rode his bike to Sturgis, before there was an available vaccine.
He felt super good about his choice on his ride out to the rally. He literally said if he died, well so be it, he was doing what he loved.
Cut to him in the ICU a month later. He didn’t want to die was regretting his decision.
But at least he had a choice.
Was this woman made aware of the risks and consequences? I’m skeptical.
Keeping women in the dark about their circumstances and the best medical advice isn’t pro life.

We do know what this woman thought:

“Leticia wasn’t as sure, recalling something Yeni said in passing after her improvement in the Austin I.C.U.: that if a doctor had to choose between saving her or saving Selene, her daughter should come first. Leticia had responded, half in jest, “And who exactly is going to take care of Selene?” “Well, you, Mami!” Yeni said. “Me?” Leticia teased. “If you leave, you better take Selene with you!” Laughing, the women laid the subject to rest, never to discuss it again."“

This loving mother told her mom her baby girl came first.

I really don’t know what you want to happen after a pregnant woman tells her own mother her baby comes first. The doctors to hold her down and an anesthesiologist administer general sedation and the medical team remove her healthy baby by force?

If anyone reads the linked article, they can read that this woman was morbidly obese, had diabetes, other significant health problems, was not enrolled in the medicaid program she was entitled to be receiving healthcare benefits from, working a physical job while very sick and pregnant, and unable to afford her needed medication because she was not enrolled in medicaid.

Her husband (who left town with her car after her and their baby girl’s death, weird) should have taken control of the situation and helped his wife enroll in medicaid and supported her financially while she was working and desperately ill. It’s a messed up situation that unfortunately ended in this woman and her baby dying. She didn’t want an abortion.

Pretty soon, news stories about pregnant women being killed by their husbands and boyfriends (which happens all too often tragically, it’s scary) and democrats will be blaming their deaths on their inability to get abortions After all, if the women could have only killed their unborn babies, their husbands/boyfriends wouldn’t have had to kill them.

We literally don’t know. The above equator is hearsay. That’s recollection from someone else.
What did her doctor’s actually tell her? We don’t know, but we do know that in Texas women don’t get the healthcare they need.
And she didn’t give her life for her baby. There isn’t anything noble here. They are both dead.

[Anonymous]

* equator should be quote

[Anonymous]

I agree with the poster who basically said this woman was failed on multiple levels. Living in TX certainly didn’t help, but there are multiple system failures that made the situation that much worse for her and all combined to make her death all but inevitable.

I know it is harder than just blaming TX abortion law, but we really should be talking about the many laws and benefits that were lacking here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the poster who basically said this woman was failed on multiple levels. Living in TX certainly didn’t help, but there are multiple system failures that made the situation that much worse for her and all combined to make her death all but inevitable.

I know it is harder than just blaming TX abortion law, but we really should be talking about the many laws and benefits that were lacking here.

I think that’s a fair assessment. But the thread title is focused on Texas being regressive and awful. So I think all those things can be addressed in this thread.
She was failed by everything that Republican Party currently stands for.

[Anonymous]

I mean, TX is regressive and awful.

And Republican policy and orthodoxy is regressive and awful.

It’s a sh!t sandwich

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the poster who basically said this woman was failed on multiple levels. Living in TX certainly didn’t help, but there are multiple system failures that made the situation that much worse for her and all combined to make her death all but inevitable.

I know it is harder than just blaming TX abortion law, but we really should be talking about the many laws and benefits that were lacking here.

First of all, this woman failed herself by becoming morbidly obese and diabetic before the age of 30. It’s extremely distressing to have to point out her death was caused by morbid obesity. The unfortunate reality is that obesity is a major cause of death for humans.

Her husband was responsible for helping his pregnant wife-she was pregnant with his baby girl- obtain the healthcare insurance she was entitled to-medicaid- so she could receive her health care and medications. Why he wasn’t asked by the reporter as to why he didn’t help his desperately ill pregnant wife do this is remarkable. Remarkably bad. Notice he had no problem taking his dead wife’s car. He buddy, how about you take her car before she died and driven her to the medicaid office to get her health care insurance that was free? No? Ok! He’s a turd. Oh, and he could have financially supported his dying pregnant wife instead of watching her kill herself at work everyday. Smh, no wonder he skipped town.

The doctors did as this pregnant woman asked, treated her to the best of her ability. She was hospitalized several times. She wanted her baby.

Note: this woman and her wanted baby girl could be alive today if her husband had done the bare minimum to ensure his pregnant wife had health insurance and was financially supported until she delivered their child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, TX is regressive and awful.

And Republican policy and orthodoxy is regressive and awful.

It’s a sh!t sandwich

This woman’s husband and baby’s father was a $hit sandwich, no mustard, no mayo.

Who watches their pregnant wife struggle daily with severe illness while pregnant and lack of medical insurance and medication, and does nothing? A $HIT SANDWICH, in husband form.

[Anonymous]

You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

I think you know what pp was referring to.
Elective abortions... the ones that end a healthy life growing inside a mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do know that a miscarriage is technically an abortion, right?

And that the procedure to clear a missed miscarriage is also an abortion?

I think people need to be careful using terms like “majority” re: abortion

When a woman terminates her pregnancy, it’s an abortion. When a woman has a miscarriage, she does not choose to terminate her pregnancy.

A D&C procedure may be done for different reasons, including to look for the cause of a problem, such as abnormal uterine bleeding; for treatment of a miscarriage or postpregnancy bleeding; or for first trimester abortion (pregnancy termination).

A D and C is not always done to end the life of an unborn baby.

[Anonymous]

Pregnancy is also a medical condition and, in some cases, a life threatening one. If it is life threatening, ending the medical condition of pregnancy to save the living human is the best course of action. Until we develop a way to keep zygotes/fetuses growing outside a uterus, these are the decisions that must be made and the already living being should always have precedence until viability.