What's the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners*

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.

Go ahead and report them, then. But writing screeds on here does nothing but make you look like an old man shaking your fist at a cloud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.

Go ahead and report them, then. But writing screeds on here does nothing but make you look like an old man shaking your fist at a cloud.

I'll write whatever I want whenever I want. I'd rather be the old man shaking his fist than the dog owner standing 4 feet away letting his unleashed dog poop in the old man's yard and then complaining "wow that old man sure is mad about stuff, what a jerk."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you own a dog, OP?

No, I am smart enough to know I don't have the time or energy for a dog at this stage in my life. I might get a dog when I retire and have time walk it frequently and can devote hours of my life to training. I like dogs (and pets in general, I have a cat right now) and it is my love of animals that makes me thoughtful about whether or not I take on the responsibility of owning one.

This seems to be an increasingly rare position.

I think that in general people are just selfish and only think of their immediate needs and wants. They adopt the cute little puppy without thinking of that dog and it's needs as it grows. They look at a cute breed and decide that want that look without considering the temperament, energy levels and habit of that breed. You see this a lot with people who get herding breeds only to then look to rehome their 1 yr old dog because they don't didn't realize these dogs need a lot of exercise, stimulation and don't do well left home alone all day.

I am like OP. I love dogs and would love to have one, but I also know that at this time in my life I don't have the time. So instead I volunteer with a local rescue.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.

Go ahead and report them, then. But writing screeds on here does nothing but make you look like an old man shaking your fist at a cloud.

I'll write whatever I want whenever I want. I'd rather be the old man shaking his fist than the dog owner standing 4 feet away letting his unleashed dog poop in the old man's yard and then complaining "wow that old man sure is mad about stuff, what a jerk."

Stay mad

[Anonymous]

OP, I imagine I am someone you would complain about. My kid BEGGED for a dog for ten years, absolutely begged. She is a great kid, adores animals, and during COVID we transitioned to remote jobs and finally felt like we had the time and energy to get her one. We did hours of training and walking and even spent thousands on a training course through the first year - really gave it everything we could.

My kid is over the moon and loves that dog to death, she is so happy. It is just as much work as I thought it would be and honestly for me personally, more work than it’s worth. I really and truly do my best but my dog is very vocal and active. She jumps when people come in the house, she barks when she plays in the yard, she pees in people’s yards (honestly not sure how to stop that!). I don’t let her off leash, I don’t let her lunge at people or hang out the window. I bring her inside when she barks. I swear I am trying my absolute best. But she’s still pretty annoying to non dog people, I imagine.

I’m really sorry about it, truly, but training her is the hardest thing I have ever done and she’s still not where she needs to be three years in. Sometimes it’s not laziness or not caring - maybe I shouldn’t have gotten a dog, absolutely. But I did, my kid loves her, and here I am doing my best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I imagine I am someone you would complain about. My kid BEGGED for a dog for ten years, absolutely begged. She is a great kid, adores animals, and during COVID we transitioned to remote jobs and finally felt like we had the time and energy to get her one. We did hours of training and walking and even spent thousands on a training course through the first year - really gave it everything we could.

My kid is over the moon and loves that dog to death, she is so happy. It is just as much work as I thought it would be and honestly for me personally, more work than it’s worth. I really and truly do my best but my dog is very vocal and active. She jumps when people come in the house, she barks when she plays in the yard, she pees in people’s yards (honestly not sure how to stop that!). I don’t let her off leash, I don’t let her lunge at people or hang out the window. I bring her inside when she barks. I swear I am trying my absolute best. But she’s still pretty annoying to non dog people, I imagine.

I’m really sorry about it, truly, but training her is the hardest thing I have ever done and she’s still not where she needs to be three years in. Sometimes it’s not laziness or not caring - maybe I shouldn’t have gotten a dog, absolutely. But I did, my kid loves her, and here I am doing my best.

Correct, the lesson here is that you should not have gotten a dog.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Are they, though? Or do dog owners just want them to be social because THEY are social. Many of these complaints aren't really about dogs "misbehaving." They are about dogs being in places where their normal behavior becomes a problem. Like there's nothing wrong with a dog running and barking and playing/wrestling with other dogs. The problem is that dogs who should be in yards, running in big fields, in spaces with fewer crowds or people, etc., are being taken to crowded places where they don't have room to do this safely, they are being cooped up in homes (including little apartments) while their owners work all day, they are stuck in neighborhoods with narrow sidewalks and minimal spaces for running off leash.

I don't think dogs are that social. Loyal? Yeah. Energetic, playful, sure. But most dogs don't actually want to spend all their time around lots of other people and dogs. Many dogs are actively territorial, or are bred for behaviors that can cause conflict with other dogs.

You have this dream of taking your dog to all the neighborhood parties and to the grocery store and out to dinner and to pick your kids up from school, but in reality your dog doesn't want to do any of that. Your dog wants to hang out with you and have lots of space to run.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.

Go ahead and report them, then. But writing screeds on here does nothing but make you look like an old man shaking your fist at a cloud.

I'll write whatever I want whenever I want. I'd rather be the old man shaking his fist than the dog owner standing 4 feet away letting his unleashed dog poop in the old man's yard and then complaining "wow that old man sure is mad about stuff, what a jerk."

Stay mad

Say hey to animal control when you see them -- I'm sure you will be!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Are they, though? Or do dog owners just want them to be social because THEY are social. Many of these complaints aren't really about dogs "misbehaving." They are about dogs being in places where their normal behavior becomes a problem. Like there's nothing wrong with a dog running and barking and playing/wrestling with other dogs. The problem is that dogs who should be in yards, running in big fields, in spaces with fewer crowds or people, etc., are being taken to crowded places where they don't have room to do this safely, they are being cooped up in homes (including little apartments) while their owners work all day, they are stuck in neighborhoods with narrow sidewalks and minimal spaces for running off leash.

I don't think dogs are that social. Loyal? Yeah. Energetic, playful, sure. But most dogs don't actually want to spend all their time around lots of other people and dogs. Many dogs are actively territorial, or are bred for behaviors that can cause conflict with other dogs.

You have this dream of taking your dog to all the neighborhood parties and to the grocery store and out to dinner and to pick your kids up from school, but in reality your dog doesn't want to do any of that. Your dog wants to hang out with you and have lots of space to run.

I'm not really going to bother engaging anymore, because your knowledge of dogs is so abysmal.

Dogs are highly social animals and are well adapted to living in groups.
-Merck Veterinary Manual

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Anonymous wrote:* People who allow their dogs to hang out the window of their car up to their torso in order to bark at you and your dog while walking on the sidewalk.

I walk every morning I have seen two dogs killed because their owners are so dumb

One jumped out of the window from front seat of the moving car.

The other there was an accident dog flew out and got ran over by another car.

Dog owners can be so stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.

Go ahead and report them, then. But writing screeds on here does nothing but make you look like an old man shaking your fist at a cloud.

I'll write whatever I want whenever I want. I'd rather be the old man shaking his fist than the dog owner standing 4 feet away letting his unleashed dog poop in the old man's yard and then complaining "wow that old man sure is mad about stuff, what a jerk."

Stay mad

Say hey to animal control when you see them -- I'm sure you will be!

It's so dumb that you think anyone who disagrees with you has an unruly dog. I only let my dog off leash in designated off-leash areas at the designated times, but this moaning about how anyone whose dog ever barks needs to rehome their dog is just beyond. I think you just enjoy the kvetching. If it wasn't dogs, it would be something else. So yeah, stay mad.

(Also, I live next to a massive park and have NEVER seen Animal Control. Ever. It's not exactly a well-funded department in any city.)

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I imagine I am someone you would complain about. My kid BEGGED for a dog for ten years, absolutely begged. She is a great kid, adores animals, and during COVID we transitioned to remote jobs and finally felt like we had the time and energy to get her one. We did hours of training and walking and even spent thousands on a training course through the first year - really gave it everything we could.

My kid is over the moon and loves that dog to death, she is so happy. It is just as much work as I thought it would be and honestly for me personally, more work than it’s worth. I really and truly do my best but my dog is very vocal and active. She jumps when people come in the house, she barks when she plays in the yard, she pees in people’s yards (honestly not sure how to stop that!). I don’t let her off leash, I don’t let her lunge at people or hang out the window. I bring her inside when she barks. I swear I am trying my absolute best. But she’s still pretty annoying to non dog people, I imagine.

I’m really sorry about it, truly, but training her is the hardest thing I have ever done and she’s still not where she needs to be three years in. Sometimes it’s not laziness or not caring - maybe I shouldn’t have gotten a dog, absolutely. But I did, my kid loves her, and here I am doing my best.

Correct, the lesson here is that you should not have gotten a dog.

So what would you like me to do now that I have one?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I imagine I am someone you would complain about. My kid BEGGED for a dog for ten years, absolutely begged. She is a great kid, adores animals, and during COVID we transitioned to remote jobs and finally felt like we had the time and energy to get her one. We did hours of training and walking and even spent thousands on a training course through the first year - really gave it everything we could.

My kid is over the moon and loves that dog to death, she is so happy. It is just as much work as I thought it would be and honestly for me personally, more work than it’s worth. I really and truly do my best but my dog is very vocal and active. She jumps when people come in the house, she barks when she plays in the yard, she pees in people’s yards (honestly not sure how to stop that!). I don’t let her off leash, I don’t let her lunge at people or hang out the window. I bring her inside when she barks. I swear I am trying my absolute best. But she’s still pretty annoying to non dog people, I imagine.

I’m really sorry about it, truly, but training her is the hardest thing I have ever done and she’s still not where she needs to be three years in. Sometimes it’s not laziness or not caring - maybe I shouldn’t have gotten a dog, absolutely. But I did, my kid loves her, and here I am doing my best.

Correct, the lesson here is that you should not have gotten a dog.

So what would you like me to do now that I have one?

dp ignore the pp!

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Anonymous wrote:* People who allow their dogs to hang out the window of their car up to their torso in order to bark at you and your dog while walking on the sidewalk.

I walk every morning I have seen two dogs killed because their owners are so dumb

One jumped out of the window from front seat of the moving car.

The other there was an accident dog flew out and got ran over by another car.

Dog owners can be so stupid.

Every time I see a dog loose in a car I worry about this type of accident. Dogs should be seat belted or crated in cars for their own safety.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

The two biters one is a bull and the other is a pit.