What's the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners*

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Dog owners have to deal with bad dog owners much more frequently as the bad DOs cause major problems running up to other dogs - I've crossed the street to avoid people w/ dogs and they have crossed the street so their dogs could say "hi" which can freak out my dogs. Generally people on the side walk have gone nuts - it used to be that people dropped to their half of the side walk now often even some people walking alone will walk ihe middle of the side walk and stare my dogs down as I try to pull them up into the bushes. They don't lunge but can be overly friendly and w/ muddy winter paws that's not going to be popular - why wouldn't you stay on the other side of the sidewalk? There is also a crazy woman in our neighborhood who runs up quickly behind you and screams that the dogs are in her way before you can even get out of the way. Everyone needs to be courteous and try to accommodate each other in shared spaces.

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Anonymous wrote:Dog owners have to deal with bad dog owners much more frequently as the bad DOs cause major problems running up to other dogs - I've crossed the street to avoid people w/ dogs and they have crossed the street so their dogs could say "hi" which can freak out my dogs. Generally people on the side walk have gone nuts - it used to be that people dropped to their half of the side walk now often even some people walking alone will walk ihe middle of the side walk and stare my dogs down as I try to pull them up into the bushes. They don't lunge but can be overly friendly and w/ muddy winter paws that's not going to be popular - why wouldn't you stay on the other side of the sidewalk? There is also a crazy woman in our neighborhood who runs up quickly behind you and screams that the dogs are in her way before you can even get out of the way. Everyone needs to be courteous and try to accommodate each other in shared spaces.

The biggest thing that would help is if people kept leashes shorter, especially when sidewalks are busy. I really get annoyed with people using these very long leashes, especially when the sidewalks are crowded. If the leash is long enough for your dog to be on the other side of the sidewalk from you with the leash extended (or even slack) between you, it is WAY too long. Just shorten the leash and go stand next to your dog. Too many people with lazy leash practices these days.

Shorter leases obviously also help controlling dogs when they interact with other dogs or if they get activated by people. I think it's extra important around kids because I think dogs are sometimes more likely to react to children because they are closer to eye level. So if you walk your dog near schools during common pick up and drop off times, I would maintain a shorter leash and think about how your dog tends to respond to small humans. Even if it's a friendly reaction! Dogs should never be allowed to run up to kids unless everyone knows each other and it's been previously okayed, for the sake of both the dogs and the kids.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

Good luck with this argument when your reactive dog bites someone.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

One question you might ask yourself is what would happen in every dog you encountered was reactive the way yours is. You are relying on the idea that your dog should get special dispensation and that everyone else, including other dog owners, will give you and your dog space. But imagine if every time your dog left the house, other dogs were lunging and growling at him. You might change your mind on whether it's okay to tell others how to manage their dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

Good luck with this argument when your reactive dog bites someone.

Again I am not going to put him in a situation where he bites.

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First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

One question you might ask yourself is what would happen in every dog you encountered was reactive the way yours is. You are relying on the idea that your dog should get special dispensation and that everyone else, including other dog owners, will give you and your dog space. But imagine if every time your dog left the house, other dogs were lunging and growling at him. You might change your mind on whether it's okay to tell others how to manage their dogs.

I'm the PP with the service dogs... I have not had to deal with these issues but I want to stick up for PP just a bit I don't think this PP is asking for "special discompensation" just a general awareness that dogs do not need to be "saying hi' and constantly interacting with other dogs on a walk. It's poor owner behavior across the board, I hate this and it's so common. And I don't have a reactive dog! I sypmathize with people who do because this is another lifelong challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

One question you might ask yourself is what would happen in every dog you encountered was reactive the way yours is. You are relying on the idea that your dog should get special dispensation and that everyone else, including other dog owners, will give you and your dog space. But imagine if every time your dog left the house, other dogs were lunging and growling at him. You might change your mind on whether it's okay to tell others how to manage their dogs.

I do act as if every dog is reactive and give all dogs a wide birth. That isn't special treatment. It is common sense. I have had dogs lunging and barking at me and my dog. Every reactive dog class I have attended are full so it isn't just me. I am not telling anyone how to manage their dogs and I don't know where you got that impression.

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Anonymous wrote:A LEASHED dog recently growled and lunged at me walking on the sidewalk. The owner ignored me like I was invisible while they TALKED to the dog. Just because it is on a leash doesn’t mean the owner is in control of the animal.

First, it sounds like this particular dog was under control. Second, what do to think the owner should have done?

DP but a dog who is lunging at people who walk by on the sidewalk is not under control. I mean, better for that dog to be on a leash than not, but dogs who consistently pull at leashes and respond to bystanders by lunging, growling, or barking are not properly socialized.

And in a civilized society, if your dog lunges at and growls at someone, you should at least acknowledge that person and mumble an apology or something. It's fine to attend to your dog, but your dog is threatening a person. Imagine if a large child behaved in this way, lunging at or growling at a stranger on the street, and their parent just ignored that persona and just chatted with their kid like it had not happened. Would you feel reassured? Safe?

Pretend we live in a society and our well-being is interconnected and we all owe each other a basic duty of care.

So you advocate while the dog is being trained, it . . . not go on walks?

It sounds like the owner had control of the dog, and after it lunged at the PP, he or she attended to the dog (in other words, spoke to it). If you're really getting twisted up about this, you are just looking to be mad.

Actually, if the dog in question was in the process of being trained, it is even more important that the person walking him communicate that to the other person. You say "sorry, he's still being socialized, you may want to keep your distance." This is what a responsible dog owner who is in the process of leash training/socializing a new dog would do.

But more likely, it was someone who has no idea how to train or socialize the dog, is used to the dog pulling on the leash and behaving aggressively towards others, and therefore it didn't even occur to them to say anything.

dp If you truly have a dog that lunges and barks at another person what you said is way too much. If my dog did that I would need ALL of my attention on my dog to get him away from you. Why don't you get that? The majority of dog owners who have reactive dogs already feel shame and blamed for their dogs' behavior. We honestly don't need to worry about stranger's opinions. Just kindly move out of the way and go about your day. Let me talk to my dog and not you.

Someone who is afraid of being attacked by your dog who is lunging and growling at them is not "shaming and blaming" you. They are afraid. Of the animal with bared teeth who is behaving towards them with hostility in a public space. Yes, you do need to worry about them.

The way you describe this is so emblematic of the problem with the bad dog owners. You want us all to treat your "reactive dog" like they are a child with special needs, instead of what they actually are, which is an untrained animal who poses a threat to other people's health and well-being. You feel shame and blame? Go see a therapist, it's not relevant to me.

Better hope your dog doesn't successfully attack someone while you are out walking it, because then you'll have to worry about your dog (who will be put down) as well as the innocent bystander who was harmed by YOUR negligence and irresponsibility.

Feel shame! Feel blame! It is your fault. If you cannot properly train and control your dog, DON'T GET A DOG.

You are confused. You can be trained and still be reactive. Being reactive is a result of their feelings and it can be biological. I get that you don't care but, sometimes you get the dog you get and they have problems. And by the way I am not expecting you to treat my dog. In fact, I would prefer you ignore. Just kindly do not expect me to talk to you, do not walk super close to us ( this is very dangerous for any dog) and cross the street when you see that there is a dog that is lunging at you. btw, if a dog is barking and lunging it is reactive, not "reactive"

About the shame and blame you sound very unhinged. When you have a child or dog that misbehaves you can feel mildly shamed but, it isn't pathological that requires therapy. And I am being very responsible with my dog

Do you hear yourself? You want other people to give your dog a wide berth on sidewalks (despite them having no idea when approaching you that your dog has these problems), cross the street to escape your lunging, growling dog, and also have zero expectation of communication from you about what is obviously a dangerous animal in your care.

That is not a reasonable expectation from the people who live around you. No. If your dog is so reactive that they cannot walk down a sidewalk in your neighborhood without lunging, barking, or growling at people walking by, then the answer is: you should not be walking that dog not hat sidewalk. No person should ever have to cross a street to keep themselves safe from your dog. What if the person in question has mobility problems and can't move that quickly? What if it's an adult with a toddler for preschooler? What if the street is very busy and they need to be cautious of traffic?

The problem is that you view these issues as just inevitable, and just something everyone in the community has to deal with because you've decided your dog has an emotional predisposition for reactivity and there's nothing to be done. Who knows, maybe you are right. In that case, you can move to a place where your dog can get most of their exercise away from people, or you can rehome the dog. It is not the duty of your neighbors and people in your community to accommodate your dog, who sounds dangerous, simply because you've decide his behavior is innate.

You are NOT a responsible dog owner. You are the problem.

You have a very hostel way of answering and discussing this issue. Perhaps you are a "reactive human" yourself. However I am going to answer you politely and honestly.

First of all, I would never rehome my dog. My dog is a lifelong responsibility. Something you clearly don't understand. I also cannot move so that is a non starter. My dog does not react to every dog and every person so my ability to walk him during non prime time is fine. I am working with a trainer and I have him on anxiety medication so I am not throwing up my arms and saying nothing can be done.

What I am stating is just common sense. If i see a dog that is lunging and barking I do not continue to walk towards it nor do I expect the owner to stop focusing on their dog and talk to me. This is why I am a responsible dog owner. No one in my neighborhood fears my dog as he has not harmed anyone. I do not put him in a situation where something could happen. Again, the mark of a good dog owner.

My hope is more people would understand that dogs are not robots and sometimes owners are doing their very best. So a little less judgement would be appreciated. I do not expect this from the pp though!

I know you are convinced that you are a good dog owner but a lot of what you are describing is exactly what people are complaining about. You're asking other people to respond in a specific way to your dog lunging and growling, and also acting like lunging/growling are acceptable behaviors from dogs, or at least behaviors that everyone should be willing to tolerate. I really disagree.

I really don't think dogs who act like yours should be kept in dense areas where they are likely to meet a lot of people and other dogs on walks. Sorry, I just don't. If you live in a city, you should get a dog that can get very socialized and will not unexpectedly have strong negative reactions to people or dogs. This might mean adopting an adult dog with an established personality or, yes, being willing to move if it turns out your dog is not a city dog. I do think rehoming is harsh but if you are unwilling to move to a place that is more appropriate for the dog, and you can't train the dog to never react to people that way, I think you should consider it.

It's just not reasonable to assume that people should be okay with dogs lunging and growling at them on the sidewalk. If you can't train this out of a dog, something else has to give. And no, it is not the behavior of your neighbors. It's not their dog and they don't really owe you special dispensation for your dog's aggressive behavior.

If any of this sounds harsh to you, then yes, you are exactly the kind of "bad dog owner" people on the thread are talking about.

You don't have the right to tell me how to manage my dog or where to live. I've had this dog since he was 8 weeks old. Way too long to rehome and I had no idea he would be reactive. I don't need your stamp of approval either. Who cares if you think I am a bad dog owner? You simply do not matter.

One question you might ask yourself is what would happen in every dog you encountered was reactive the way yours is. You are relying on the idea that your dog should get special dispensation and that everyone else, including other dog owners, will give you and your dog space. But imagine if every time your dog left the house, other dogs were lunging and growling at him. You might change your mind on whether it's okay to tell others how to manage their dogs.

I'm the PP with the service dogs... I have not had to deal with these issues but I want to stick up for PP just a bit I don't think this PP is asking for "special discompensation" just a general awareness that dogs do not need to be "saying hi' and constantly interacting with other dogs on a walk. It's poor owner behavior across the board, I hate this and it's so common. And I don't have a reactive dog! I sypmathize with people who do because this is another lifelong challenge.

Thank you, pp! I appreciate your support.

[Anonymous]

I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to note that on the first page of the "Pets" forum right now, we have the following threads in addition to this one:

- A thread about a friend's dog who has nipped or bitten kids on three different occasion but the dog owner continues to bring the dog around children

- A thread about dog owners flouting clearly posted rules regarding dogs on athletic fields and school grounds

- Not one but two threads about dog owners who are overwhelmed by the work involved in training their dogs and would like to rehome them -- in one case the dog nips the OP's 4 year old son, in the other the the OP describes the dog as a "a terror" who is "very strong and muscular" and requires a ton of exercise, pulls at the leash constantly, and "ruins everything."

- A thread from a dog owner whose dog barks pretty much continuously while out in in their backyard, where the OP continues to put the dog despite the fact that he barks continuously when there.

- Two threads about dog attacks, one about attack statistics by breed and the other regarding a specific attack by a pit bull. Both threads involve a lot of bickering about whether or not it's fair to say that pits pose a greater danger for attack than other breeds.

- A thread from a dog owner who left their dog with the boarding facility for two weeks due to vacation and getting Covid and whose dog is now sad to be home instead of living at the boarding facility.

That's just page one. There are a LOT of dog owners who are overwhelmed by their dogs, struggle to offer them the exercise or stimulation they need, and unable to train them to behave in ways that would make them safe for other people, safe in their own homes, or less of a nuisance to neighbors. Or willing to break clear rules regarding dogs in the community.

Anyway... what IS the deal with entitled, jerky dog owners?

People obviously post when they’re having problems with their dog. What’s the point of posting “my Mopsy is the bestest girl, always so well-behaved and perfect?”

If you look at the other forums, you’ll see people posting about their kid problems on the child forums, and their spousal problems on the relationship board. What’s the deal with all the entitled, jerky kids and spouses? Maybe they should be rehomed.

Yes but it seems people have problems with their dog, or problems with other people's dogs, at a far higher frequency than other pets. There are far more threads started by people with dog issues than cat issues, for instance, even though cats come with their own set of challenges. And it's very rare to see someone post about someone else's cat.

But even beyond that, the nature of these problems is consistent. There are far more posts about dogs with negative behavioral issues like biting or barking than there are about dogs who dislike their food or try to hip on the furniture. There is this through line of "I can't control my dog."

Also, there is a consistency in the threads complaining about dog owners. Over and over, the issue is definitely owners either refusing to address negatively be behaviors despite repeat incidents, or insisting on taking their dogs places they are explicitly not allowed.

It just really paints a picture of dog owners being pretty entitled and inconsiderate. It rained see the question as to why this behavior from each g owners seems to be so prevalent.

I mean, duh. Cats and other pets barely leave the house--dogs are the pets that are most often out in the world, interacting with other people and dogs because they are social animals. You have written absolute reams about this; it clearly seriously troubles you. I'm afraid that you're going to have to deal with it. People and dogs have lived together for thousands of years, no one is getting rid of their dog because you don't think they're well enough behaved. Part of living in a city is dealing with aggressive drivers, careless cyclists, entitled parents with unrestrained children, crazy homeless people, weed smoke, litter, loud noise, crowded public transit, etc. If you want to live in some Pleasantville/Truman Show mashup, may I suggest moving to a small town?

Uh, what makes you think problems with dog owners are limited to cities, or that this even has anything to do with cities? There are crap dog owners everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

And guess what, no one has to put up with it. There are animal control laws that govern most of these behaviors. Report it. Complain. Document the dangerous, obnoxious behavior. People can and do have their dogs taken away when they consistently do things that endanger people or the dogs themselves.

Also, it's more than one person in this thread writing about awful dog owners. I'm the one who listed the many threads in this forum about irresponsible dog owners or dangerous dogs, and I didn't start any of those threads and haven't post in all but two of them. LOTS of us are fed up with your dangerous, untrained dogs and your entitled, anti-social behavior.