The ECNL scam?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

You guys don't' get out much. If you go to youth day / residential camps, what happens is that there is really no recruiting there or offers or anything like that, but the coach rides around in a golf cart and watches pickups. If your kid stands out, he will ask the field coach (who is usually not affiliated with the university but a local youth club), "Who is that?". The next camp the coach may or may not remember the kid. The more times he asks "Who is that?" The more likely he is to remember. In my case, the consistent exposure to the coach and his consistent recognition gave my kid a serious leg up when it came time for the actual ID camp. Everyone else was walking in as a number. My kid was walking in with a name and a reputation as being solid. So, no, they're not driving across country to watch a 12 year old. It's called relationship building.

Are these youth day / residential camps free to attend?

No. Nothing is free. Anywhere. Ever. $500 for day campers (locals - no dorm and food) $700 for residential for 3 night / 4 days - on average.

Ballers don't attend these outrageous Money Grab camps.

Here's a secret that's not so secret, if you're exceptional, they find you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

You guys don't' get out much. If you go to youth day / residential camps, what happens is that there is really no recruiting there or offers or anything like that, but the coach rides around in a golf cart and watches pickups. If your kid stands out, he will ask the field coach (who is usually not affiliated with the university but a local youth club), "Who is that?". The next camp the coach may or may not remember the kid. The more times he asks "Who is that?" The more likely he is to remember. In my case, the consistent exposure to the coach and his consistent recognition gave my kid a serious leg up when it came time for the actual ID camp. Everyone else was walking in as a number. My kid was walking in with a name and a reputation as being solid. So, no, they're not driving across country to watch a 12 year old. It's called relationship building.

Are these youth day / residential camps free to attend?

No. Nothing is free. Anywhere. Ever. $500 for day campers (locals - no dorm and food) $700 for residential for 3 night / 4 days - on average.

Ballers don't attend these outrageous Money Grab camps.

Here's a secret that's not so secret, if you're exceptional, they find you.

Who is "they"? Are "they" the right people?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ytqvzJDCLtI

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

Yes and no. DD is on a small club USYS team and has invites every year to WAGS/Jeff cup/NL Pro events. But the club only has a few teams that are comparable - most aren't. Still, they've found a path that works for this team that doesn't require insane travel or constant stress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

Yes and no. DD is on a small club USYS team and has invites every year to WAGS/Jeff cup/NL Pro events. But the club only has a few teams that are comparable - most aren't. Still, they've found a path that works for this team that doesn't require insane travel or constant stress.

constant stress can be on any team. At u15 my dd furthest tournament is north carolina. Here furthest game is northern nj. Not so far. My son through EDP went to Florida and AZ for two tournaments. It's not just ECNL that travel is far. Also, to get an invite and do well, your team has to be able to compete with ECNL teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

Yes and no. DD is on a small club USYS team and has invites every year to WAGS/Jeff cup/NL Pro events. But the club only has a few teams that are comparable - most aren't. Still, they've found a path that works for this team that doesn't require insane travel or constant stress.

constant stress can be on any team. At u15 my dd furthest tournament is north carolina. Here furthest game is northern nj. Not so far. My son through EDP went to Florida and AZ for two tournaments. It's not just ECNL that travel is far. Also, to get an invite and do well, your team has to be able to compete with ECNL teams.

If you live in DMV and went to Florida and Arizona being in EDP... it was totally by Optional Choice.
ECNL has to travel for games.

Your equivalency attempt is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

Yes and no. DD is on a small club USYS team and has invites every year to WAGS/Jeff cup/NL Pro events. But the club only has a few teams that are comparable - most aren't. Still, they've found a path that works for this team that doesn't require insane travel or constant stress.

constant stress can be on any team. At u15 my dd furthest tournament is north carolina. Here furthest game is northern nj. Not so far. My son through EDP went to Florida and AZ for two tournaments. It's not just ECNL that travel is far. Also, to get an invite and do well, your team has to be able to compete with ECNL teams.

Tournaments/showcases are very different than league play. I see no reason for a 12-year-old to be traveling to northern NJ or to South Carolina for a single league game on a weekend when there is tons of good competition here. GA and ECNL are very tough for people with non-unlimited funds or with multiple siblings/weekend obligations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

Discriminates against clubs not people. It's no secret that smaller clubs are blocked out of larger tournaments. And further, the socioeconomic divide in club soccer is no secret. If you're family can't afford the $5k+/yr required to play club soccer, it negatively impacts your ability to be recruited by college coaches. It's a shame how much talent gets overlooked due to the system.

Exactly. It's the system. It's not ECNL. ECNL provides a platform for those that can afford it. I don't see where the scam is.

You realize that Arlington and Loudoun started this mess. They left NCSL and WAGS to play in CCL. A system that also benefited the largest clubs.

PP, I agree. I wouldn't call it a scam. But the overall system, not just ECNL, is rigged to benefit larger clubs.

Yes and no. DD is on a small club USYS team and has invites every year to WAGS/Jeff cup/NL Pro events. But the club only has a few teams that are comparable - most aren't. Still, they've found a path that works for this team that doesn't require insane travel or constant stress.

constant stress can be on any team. At u15 my dd furthest tournament is north carolina. Here furthest game is northern nj. Not so far. My son through EDP went to Florida and AZ for two tournaments. It's not just ECNL that travel is far. Also, to get an invite and do well, your team has to be able to compete with ECNL teams.

If you live in DMV and went to Florida and Arizona being in EDP... it was totally by Optional Choice.
ECNL has to travel for games.

Your equivalency attempt is false.

You can do both - not travel multiple states and still compete against ECNL/GA level teams by attending tournaments.