The ECNL scam?

[Anonymous]

DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

It's socioeconomic. If you're wealthy and Hispanic/POC, you're good to go. If you occupy the lower echelons, you'll be shut out. And yes, there are a ton of Hispanic families with enough money to slug it out in ECNL. But many majority Hispanic clubs were formed to be affordable options for families who can't pay the hefty fees charged by bigger clubs. So ECNL does discriminate against lower socioeconomic groups, which tend to be POC

It's not discrimination against the poor per se. But it is filtering out those who can't afford it. A lot of things work that way, unfortunately. It isn't ECNL or a Club's responsibility to make sure everyone can afford its services. They just need enough people with money to fill their roster. It's called capitalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

Not unless all the UEFA clubs move to America and forms a league

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here might be making fun, but yes, ECNL discriminates against Hispanic clubs 100%

My son is one of only two white kids an ECNL roster of 19 players. My other son is the only white kid on his MLSNext team.

These are U17 & U19 so I’ve been around awhile.

It's socioeconomic. If you're wealthy and Hispanic/POC, you're good to go. If you occupy the lower echelons, you'll be shut out. And yes, there are a ton of Hispanic families with enough money to slug it out in ECNL. But many majority Hispanic clubs were formed to be affordable options for families who can't pay the hefty fees charged by bigger clubs. So ECNL does discriminate against lower socioeconomic groups, which tend to be POC

It's not discrimination against the poor per se. But it is filtering out those who can't afford it. A lot of things work that way, unfortunately. It isn't ECNL or a Club's responsibility to make sure everyone can afford its services. They just need enough people with money to fill their roster. It's called capitalism.

I’d be okay with it if the system was just capitalism at work, but most of these clubs are heavily dependent on public field space that they are paying well below market rates for and are being granted access to as a non-profit community organization. They are essentially being subsidized by taxpayers, including those that can’t afford their services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

You guys don't' get out much. If you go to youth day / residential camps, what happens is that there is really no recruiting there or offers or anything like that, but the coach rides around in a golf cart and watches pickups. If your kid stands out, he will ask the field coach (who is usually not affiliated with the university but a local youth club), "Who is that?". The next camp the coach may or may not remember the kid. The more times he asks "Who is that?" The more likely he is to remember. In my case, the consistent exposure to the coach and his consistent recognition gave my kid a serious leg up when it came time for the actual ID camp. Everyone else was walking in as a number. My kid was walking in with a name and a reputation as being solid. So, no, they're not driving across country to watch a 12 year old. It's called relationship building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

Your biased slanted opinion and narrative will have a very hard time against facts and logic.
You're basically saying the MLS will become a secondary league to a higher league. Make that make sense.

Start with giving us hints on the resources for this new league.
Wouldn't US Soccer just put power and money into making MLS better than to trying and create a new 1st Tier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

You guys don't' get out much. If you go to youth day / residential camps, what happens is that there is really no recruiting there or offers or anything like that, but the coach rides around in a golf cart and watches pickups. If your kid stands out, he will ask the field coach (who is usually not affiliated with the university but a local youth club), "Who is that?". The next camp the coach may or may not remember the kid. The more times he asks "Who is that?" The more likely he is to remember. In my case, the consistent exposure to the coach and his consistent recognition gave my kid a serious leg up when it came time for the actual ID camp. Everyone else was walking in as a number. My kid was walking in with a name and a reputation as being solid. So, no, they're not driving across country to watch a 12 year old. It's called relationship building.

Are these youth day / residential camps free to attend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

Your biased slanted opinion and narrative will have a very hard time against facts and logic.
You're basically saying the MLS will become a secondary league to a higher league. Make that make sense.

Start with giving us hints on the resources for this new league.
Wouldn't US Soccer just put power and money into making MLS better than to trying and create a new 1st Tier?

Nobody is saying MLS will become a secondary league. It's the league below their academies that is the question. The history of US youth soccer tells us that it's not a question of if, but when will a new league come along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

Your biased slanted opinion and narrative will have a very hard time against facts and logic.
You're basically saying the MLS will become a secondary league to a higher league. Make that make sense.

Start with giving us hints on the resources for this new league.
Wouldn't US Soccer just put power and money into making MLS better than to trying and create a new 1st Tier?

Nobody is saying MLS will become a secondary league. It's the league below their academies that is the question. The history of US youth soccer tells us that it's not a question of if, but when will a new league come along.

There have never been real academies before now (outside of IMG, but that's its own thing). The history of club academies throughout the world is that they supplant competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

Your biased slanted opinion and narrative will have a very hard time against facts and logic.
You're basically saying the MLS will become a secondary league to a higher league. Make that make sense.

Start with giving us hints on the resources for this new league.
Wouldn't US Soccer just put power and money into making MLS better than to trying and create a new 1st Tier?

Nobody is saying MLS will become a secondary league. It's the league below their academies that is the question. The history of US youth soccer tells us that it's not a question of if, but when will a new league come along.

There have never been real academies before now (outside of IMG, but that's its own thing). The history of club academies throughout the world is that they supplant competition.

The bulk of MLS Next is not the academies though. They are just other soccer clubs that compete in the league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA, CCL, ECNL, MLSNext, etc., etc., etc.
All flavors of the month. There will be another league to come along soon and take top spot. There always is.

MLSNext will last simply because it's tied to the professional league. It's going to be very hard for a group of clubs to convince boys that they are better than a professional academy.

Hahaha. Ya, they said that about the DA, because it was tied to the national team. Have you watched MLS? Not exactly the pinnacle of world soccer. Case in point: they put three old guys from Barca on a MLS team and they were basically unbeatable by the rest of the league. MLS also only recently started caring about their academies. Their youth league might be working now, but I'm not convinced MLS is a respected enough entity that it can't be supplanted by the next best thing.

Your biased slanted opinion and narrative will have a very hard time against facts and logic.
You're basically saying the MLS will become a secondary league to a higher league. Make that make sense.

Start with giving us hints on the resources for this new league.
Wouldn't US Soccer just put power and money into making MLS better than to trying and create a new 1st Tier?

Nobody is saying MLS will become a secondary league. It's the league below their academies that is the question. The history of US youth soccer tells us that it's not a question of if, but when will a new league come along.

MLS Next is the league MLS Club Academies play in.
Yes, they play against each other outside MLS Next as well.

Have you not rationalized that all the previous leagues were the trial and error iterations leading up to MLS Next the final destination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those camps are more of the same if the coach doesn't reach out specifically to invite you.

Disagree. College coaches started tracking my kid at age 11-12 because he stood out at their residential camps. They never invited him. He just keep showing up and ended up playing at an ACC school because they became familiar with him as a player and person.

Wait. What?
College Coaches tracking a U12 kid? Why?

They don't even go to the U15 games at MLS Next tournaments. Only the older groups.

You guys don't' get out much. If you go to youth day / residential camps, what happens is that there is really no recruiting there or offers or anything like that, but the coach rides around in a golf cart and watches pickups. If your kid stands out, he will ask the field coach (who is usually not affiliated with the university but a local youth club), "Who is that?". The next camp the coach may or may not remember the kid. The more times he asks "Who is that?" The more likely he is to remember. In my case, the consistent exposure to the coach and his consistent recognition gave my kid a serious leg up when it came time for the actual ID camp. Everyone else was walking in as a number. My kid was walking in with a name and a reputation as being solid. So, no, they're not driving across country to watch a 12 year old. It's called relationship building.

Are these youth day / residential camps free to attend?

No. Nothing is free. Anywhere. Ever. $500 for day campers (locals - no dorm and food) $700 for residential for 3 night / 4 days - on average.