Disruptive group of students: what to do?

[Anonymous]

Translation: suck it up, buttercup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll need to work at changing the laws. Children without disabilities have just as many rights to learn and should be provided with a calm classroom in which instruction can be done.

Children without disabilities should not be warehoused in an extremely disruptive classrooms all day but should be provided with a calm classroom.

Yes, I’m getting a bit tired of the trend that certain classes of students be have special “rights” that end up undermining the educational experience of other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is in the 5th grade, and there’s a group of four students that are extremely disruptive. Loud screaming and yelling, rolling in the floor etc. and it is a daily occurrence (if not every class).

Example, kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well. The troublemakers have a history of misbehaviors but is was manageable and took off this year. Teachers really can’t hold their class and so far from the beginning of the year two teachers left because they couldn’t handle it.

I sent an email expressing my concern to the home classroom teacher only, especially because my child is telling me they hate going to school, they don’t learn anything there etc.

I’m not sure there will be much done and I want to escalate by lodging in a formal complaint of harassment. Although there isn’t a one on one interaction, I believe that one group of students is harassing another group of students in the class. Maybe not typical, but I still believe this is harassment and that my child is being victimized. One of the disrupters has a history of harassment from a year ago, when he mimicked a sex act with my child’s hat, and I followed a complaint with the school about it. He got some restorative justice talk to, and it didn’t repeat since.

I am genuinely concerned and want to take some action to remedy the situation. Am I judging the situation correctly and any advice on how to proceed?

Which school is this?

Pretty much all of them.
Signed, a teacher

+1

Even the “good ones” that RE agents use to guilt DCUM into buying in overpriced neighborhoods.

Signed, another teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is in the 5th grade, and there’s a group of four students that are extremely disruptive. Loud screaming and yelling, rolling in the floor etc. and it is a daily occurrence (if not every class).

Example, kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well. The troublemakers have a history of misbehaviors but is was manageable and took off this year. Teachers really can’t hold their class and so far from the beginning of the year two teachers left because they couldn’t handle it.

I sent an email expressing my concern to the home classroom teacher only, especially because my child is telling me they hate going to school, they don’t learn anything there etc.

I’m not sure there will be much done and I want to escalate by lodging in a formal complaint of harassment. Although there isn’t a one on one interaction, I believe that one group of students is harassing another group of students in the class. Maybe not typical, but I still believe this is harassment and that my child is being victimized. One of the disrupters has a history of harassment from a year ago, when he mimicked a sex act with my child’s hat, and I followed a complaint with the school about it. He got some restorative justice talk to, and it didn’t repeat since.

I am genuinely concerned and want to take some action to remedy the situation. Am I judging the situation correctly and any advice on how to proceed?

Which school is this?

This is more of an indication that the teacher does not have control over their classroom and lacks classroom management skills.

[Anonymous]

Some of them are expendable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is in the 5th grade, and there’s a group of four students that are extremely disruptive. Loud screaming and yelling, rolling in the floor etc. and it is a daily occurrence (if not every class).

Example, kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well. The troublemakers have a history of misbehaviors but is was manageable and took off this year. Teachers really can’t hold their class and so far from the beginning of the year two teachers left because they couldn’t handle it.

I sent an email expressing my concern to the home classroom teacher only, especially because my child is telling me they hate going to school, they don’t learn anything there etc.

I’m not sure there will be much done and I want to escalate by lodging in a formal complaint of harassment. Although there isn’t a one on one interaction, I believe that one group of students is harassing another group of students in the class. Maybe not typical, but I still believe this is harassment and that my child is being victimized. One of the disrupters has a history of harassment from a year ago, when he mimicked a sex act with my child’s hat, and I followed a complaint with the school about it. He got some restorative justice talk to, and it didn’t repeat since.

I am genuinely concerned and want to take some action to remedy the situation. Am I judging the situation correctly and any advice on how to proceed?

Which school is this?

This is more of an indication that the teacher does not have control over their classroom and lacks classroom management skills.

We are asking a lot from the teachers, they need to know the subject they are teaching, know how to teach, be engaging, and now also how to deal with these students all for not a lot of money.

[Anonymous]

Nothing you can do about it. Admin holds the bad kids behavior against the teachers trying to help so it's best just to pass them along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is in the 5th grade, and there’s a group of four students that are extremely disruptive. Loud screaming and yelling, rolling in the floor etc. and it is a daily occurrence (if not every class).

Example, kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well. The troublemakers have a history of misbehaviors but is was manageable and took off this year. Teachers really can’t hold their class and so far from the beginning of the year two teachers left because they couldn’t handle it.

I sent an email expressing my concern to the home classroom teacher only, especially because my child is telling me they hate going to school, they don’t learn anything there etc.

I’m not sure there will be much done and I want to escalate by lodging in a formal complaint of harassment. Although there isn’t a one on one interaction, I believe that one group of students is harassing another group of students in the class. Maybe not typical, but I still believe this is harassment and that my child is being victimized. One of the disrupters has a history of harassment from a year ago, when he mimicked a sex act with my child’s hat, and I followed a complaint with the school about it. He got some restorative justice talk to, and it didn’t repeat since.

I am genuinely concerned and want to take some action to remedy the situation. Am I judging the situation correctly and any advice on how to proceed?

Which school is this?

This is more of an indication that the teacher does not have control over their classroom and lacks classroom management skills.

That might have been the case ten or twenty years ago, but the severe and widespread behaviors we are seeing now are unlike anything I’ve seen in my long career (in which I’ve been much praised for my classroom management). In a given class now you might see three to five major behavior issues like the PP described, whereas twenty years ago you had one of those every few years. And they feed off each other and their knowledge that there are no meaningful consequences from admin.

[Anonymous]

Blame those teachers for societal issues and we won't have any left to teach

[Anonymous]

The people who minimize these behaviors as normal are probably the same people who minimize rising crime rates as simply being part of urban living. Neither are normal, nor should they be tolerated.

[Anonymous]

We need to mount a Massive Resistance against these knuckleheads and their progressive apologists.

[Anonymous]

Catholic school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who minimize these behaviors as normal are probably the same people who minimize rising crime rates as simply being part of urban living. Neither are normal, nor should they be tolerated.

I don't minimize crime, but it's important to contextualize it accurately in history. The current crime rate started slightly rising in 2015-16, then again slightly in 2019, rose most dramatically during the pandemic in 2020 and has continued to rise since on a much slower scale, now plateauing between 2022-23. But when we pan out, we see that even after these rises, we're currently at a rate that is the same as 2001, which in turn represents a decline from what it was in the 1990s (which were a decline from the 1980s). So even with the dramatic rise in crime in 2020 that has persisted, we're still at a lower crime rate than any time between 1990-1996, which was in turn lower than the peak crime rate in 1980. We got used to historically low crime rates 2002-2014 and should investigate what policies and practices were in place during that time period that lessened crime.

[Anonymous]

Bring more candy. It's expensive but so is the insurance copay when they attack teachers for not enough candy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who minimize these behaviors as normal are probably the same people who minimize rising crime rates as simply being part of urban living. Neither are normal, nor should they be tolerated.

I don't minimize crime, but it's important to contextualize it accurately in history. The current crime rate started slightly rising in 2015-16, then again slightly in 2019, rose most dramatically during the pandemic in 2020 and has continued to rise since on a much slower scale, now plateauing between 2022-23. But when we pan out, we see that even after these rises, we're currently at a rate that is the same as 2001, which in turn represents a decline from what it was in the 1990s (which were a decline from the 1980s). So even with the dramatic rise in crime in 2020 that has persisted, we're still at a lower crime rate than any time between 1990-1996, which was in turn lower than the peak crime rate in 1980. We got used to historically low crime rates 2002-2014 and should investigate what policies and practices were in place during that time period that lessened crime.

Nope. DC is at 1999 homicide rates and trending worse. You are minimizing.