Disruptive group of students: what to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

If I heard that you were talking with other parents in the way you have spoken on this site I would find you a disgusting person and avoid. Anyone who gossips about kids with IEPs has no class. That is none of your business and it's completely false that students can't be disciplined for a disability. No school would ever have such a document.

On the off chance that some child with a disability has a stim that means the child screams regularly I cannot imagine that the IEP would not have a plan to remove the child from the classroom when that happens or to put him in a more supported class. Nothing in your post sounds true. You sound like a hateful and prejudice busy body with anxiety and control issues.

Not sure why you are on this thread. Apparently you know what’s happening in the classroom, how loud the kids are, the school policy, how each child is impacted by the disruptive behavior etc. I suspect you are the parent of a disruptive child and use this thread to justify your own bad choices in life. If that’s the case your input to this thread is not needed, feel free to check out. A therapy session would be the appropriate venue for that, perhaps the suggestion you made up thread was a Freudian slip.

There are kids with and without disabilities that are hurting other kids in their class. It can be physical bullying, verbal abuse, or, as in this case disruptive behavior that impacts their wellbeing and learning. Tolerating that behavior is in nobody’s interest, it is actually shortsighted because eventually those kids need to function in society with all the norms and expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you know the parents? Is there any scenario where the parents are told? I'm in private and this would absolutely be something also talked about between the parents of the involved kids, not just you and the school

100% don’t! Nothing good can come out from talking to the parents. It’s a school issue.

[Anonymous]

Private school will fence off your child from these issues. It just depends how high it needs to be and if you can afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

If I heard that you were talking with other parents in the way you have spoken on this site I would find you a disgusting person and avoid. Anyone who gossips about kids with IEPs has no class. That is none of your business and it's completely false that students can't be disciplined for a disability. No school would ever have such a document.

On the off chance that some child with a disability has a stim that means the child screams regularly I cannot imagine that the IEP would not have a plan to remove the child from the classroom when that happens or to put him in a more supported class. Nothing in your post sounds true. You sound like a hateful and prejudice busy body with anxiety and control issues.

+1
I don’t know what kind of school you are in but hopefully the other parents and the teachers recognize you. I know this attitude wouldn’t be tolerated at ours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

If I heard that you were talking with other parents in the way you have spoken on this site I would find you a disgusting person and avoid. Anyone who gossips about kids with IEPs has no class. That is none of your business and it's completely false that students can't be disciplined for a disability. No school would ever have such a document.

On the off chance that some child with a disability has a stim that means the child screams regularly I cannot imagine that the IEP would not have a plan to remove the child from the classroom when that happens or to put him in a more supported class. Nothing in your post sounds true. You sound like a hateful and prejudice busy body with anxiety and control issues.

Not sure why you are on this thread. Apparently you know what’s happening in the classroom, how loud the kids are, the school policy, how each child is impacted by the disruptive behavior etc. I suspect you are the parent of a disruptive child and use this thread to justify your own bad choices in life. If that’s the case your input to this thread is not needed, feel free to check out. A therapy session would be the appropriate venue for that, perhaps the suggestion you made up thread was a Freudian slip.

There are kids with and without disabilities that are hurting other kids in their class. It can be physical bullying, verbal abuse, or, as in this case disruptive behavior that impacts their wellbeing and learning. Tolerating that behavior is in nobody’s interest, it is actually shortsighted because eventually those kids need to function in society with all the norms and expectations.

No one is being hurt even OP’s child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

If I heard that you were talking with other parents in the way you have spoken on this site I would find you a disgusting person and avoid. Anyone who gossips about kids with IEPs has no class. That is none of your business and it's completely false that students can't be disciplined for a disability. No school would ever have such a document.

On the off chance that some child with a disability has a stim that means the child screams regularly I cannot imagine that the IEP would not have a plan to remove the child from the classroom when that happens or to put him in a more supported class. Nothing in your post sounds true. You sound like a hateful and prejudice busy body with anxiety and control issues.

Not sure why you are on this thread. Apparently you know what’s happening in the classroom, how loud the kids are, the school policy, how each child is impacted by the disruptive behavior etc. I suspect you are the parent of a disruptive child and use this thread to justify your own bad choices in life. If that’s the case your input to this thread is not needed, feel free to check out. A therapy session would be the appropriate venue for that, perhaps the suggestion you made up thread was a Freudian slip.

There are kids with and without disabilities that are hurting other kids in their class. It can be physical bullying, verbal abuse, or, as in this case disruptive behavior that impacts their wellbeing and learning. Tolerating that behavior is in nobody’s interest, it is actually shortsighted because eventually those kids need to function in society with all the norms and expectations.

No one is being hurt even OP’s child.

If two teachers left, you’d have to assume that’s not good for the students either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

What the hell is this garbage response? OP does not sound "tightly wound".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

What the hell is this garbage response? OP does not sound "tightly wound".

It’s DCUM so there’s always some loony feeling slighted, maybe she has a kid with issues or she was that kid in the class and raw memories are rushing back. There’s also the fringe crowd that opposes any disciplinary action because it’s not equitable, so everything goes. But yeah, it’s quite crazy to blame the parent and the child for being “tightly wound”. Unreal!

[Anonymous]

Go to the counselors and admin every time it happens. Get your child out of the class. Advocate for the teacher. I am a teacher and that’s what I’d do. I learned my lesson when my kid was young and I was still “giving it time” luckily COVID ended that school year

[Anonymous]

Ya'll need to work at changing the laws. Children without disabilities have just as many rights to learn and should be provided with a calm classroom in which instruction can be done.

Children without disabilities should not be warehoused in an extremely disruptive classrooms all day but should be provided with a calm classroom.

[Anonymous]

That is not harrassment. I have not volunteered at my child's recess/lunch hours, but I can imagine it is loud and chaotic with many kids. They always ask for parent volunteers to help out. Except raising the concerns to school teachers/principal, or ask for the switch of seats or classroom, there's nothing much more parents can do for their being loud and screaming behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is not harrassment. I have not volunteered at my child's recess/lunch hours, but I can imagine it is loud and chaotic with many kids. They always ask for parent volunteers to help out. Except raising the concerns to school teachers/principal, or ask for the switch of seats or classroom, there's nothing much more parents can do for their being loud and screaming behaviors.

+1
You are way overreacting OP and you are out of line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

What the hell is this garbage response? OP does not sound "tightly wound".

Calm down OP. You sound hysterical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

What the hell is this garbage response? OP does not sound "tightly wound".

It’s DCUM so there’s always some loony feeling slighted, maybe she has a kid with issues or she was that kid in the class and raw memories are rushing back. There’s also the fringe crowd that opposes any disciplinary action because it’s not equitable, so everything goes. But yeah, it’s quite crazy to blame the parent and the child for being “tightly wound”. Unreal!

It sounds like the child is not bothered.
OP is gossiping with other parents about whether certain kids have special needs.
She wanted to file a harassment claim for kids with special needs "screaming" in class.
If you think this is in any way the thought process of a sane person you need your head checked too.
The only person I have ever met in real life who reacted this way to a disruptive child had a child with was really struggling in school. She had extreme anxiety and a learning disability but was not diagnosed at that time. The mother was secretly having breakdowns because the child could not read while all her peers could but outwardly she was directing all her anger at "those kids with special needs" who were disrupting the perfect learning environment for her child and that was why her child could not read.

[Anonymous]

OP. I agreed it’s not harassment yet, but the moment any of those kids screams directly in my child’s face, 100% I’ll do something about it. I usually will just write an email to the teacher, and if it repeats I’ll sent another one cc’ing the principal, letting them know I’m dead serious about escalating through a formal process. I’ve never had to do that, and to their credit, whatever issue my child had got resolved.

In this case there were at least 6 families complaining and threatening to leave the school which might have had some effect. The worst offender was missing school for the entire week so it’s possible disciplinary action was put in place. They also said there’s a new process for responding to class disruptions, we’ll have to wait and see how it works.

The suggestion to keep complaining to let them know you’re not ok with the situation is spot on. The teacher also needs backing to take action, she hinted that more can be done if parents complain and cc the principal.