Disruptive group of students: what to do?

[Anonymous]

It’s not normal. I’ve seen it in several schools. You need to complain to the principal and on up the line. Call your school board member. The teacher needs support and meaningful consequences for the offenders. Your child deserves a safe and calm place in which to learn. I am a teacher, and if it were my kid’s class, I’d be documenting and emailing and calling until it improved. Don’t let anyone tell you nothing can be done. That’s baloney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there any way you can swing private school or even private online school for a year? I'm a teacher and can tell you there's probably no way the school will get this under control if two teachers in the grade level have already left. That means the remaining teachers are doing extra work and most likely burning out fast.

This is not typical public school behavior. Schools would immediately have them removed from the class. They could get in school suspension, doing their work on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any way you can swing private school or even private online school for a year? I'm a teacher and can tell you there's probably no way the school will get this under control if two teachers in the grade level have already left. That means the remaining teachers are doing extra work and most likely burning out fast.

This is not typical public school behavior. Schools would immediately have them removed from the class. They could get in school suspension, doing their work on their own.

Ha ha ha. Public schools do not immediately remove anyone from classes anymore or give ISS unless it’s something egregious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any way you can swing private school or even private online school for a year? I'm a teacher and can tell you there's probably no way the school will get this under control if two teachers in the grade level have already left. That means the remaining teachers are doing extra work and most likely burning out fast.

This is not typical public school behavior. Schools would immediately have them removed from the class. They could get in school suspension, doing their work on their own.

Ha ha ha. Public schools do not immediately remove anyone from classes anymore or give ISS unless it’s something egregious.

Yeah, thanks for the laugh. Disruptive kids are in nearly every public school class from K-12. It does get better (fewer occurrences) in middle and high school if they are in honors or AP classes. Our middle school does have a room they send kids that are being disruptive despite the teacher’s interventions. But it is one room- it fills up most days. If it is full, the kid has to stay in class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any way you can swing private school or even private online school for a year? I'm a teacher and can tell you there's probably no way the school will get this under control if two teachers in the grade level have already left. That means the remaining teachers are doing extra work and most likely burning out fast.

This is not typical public school behavior. Schools would immediately have them removed from the class. They could get in school suspension, doing their work on their own.

Ha ha ha. Public schools do not immediately remove anyone from classes anymore or give ISS unless it’s something egregious.

Yeah, thanks for the laugh. Disruptive kids are in nearly every public school class from K-12. It does get better (fewer occurrences) in middle and high school if they are in honors or AP classes. Our middle school does have a room they send kids that are being disruptive despite the teacher’s interventions. But it is one room- it fills up most days. If it is full, the kid has to stay in class.

It's normal, or else the kids would have removed a long time ago.

I think kids screaming for hours on end would not be normal but what OP describes in her clearly exaggerated and exasperated tone sounds like something that would overwhelm an inexperienced teacher but that a veteran could handle properly. You are talking about disruptive kids that exist in every classroom in the country.

If your child is really upset by this you need to get your child evaluated by a professional because this will continue through HS in public. If she cannot handle this, it sounds like you have money for private and you should use it.

[Anonymous]

There is nothing abnormal about this.

kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well.

If you actually mean screaming or "long, loud piercing cries expressing extreme emotion or pain" the teacher would be calling 911 or the front office for help.

What you are talking about is loud kids.

[Anonymous]

1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

[Anonymous]

OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

OP here. Im not anxious so stop projecting on me. I just want to make sure I’m not dumping my kid in an environment that bad for them, and really want to do my best they have a safe and exciting learning experience. In this case, I actually think it is the students. Gees, you’d think the teacher needs help? Surprise! Two already left from the beginning of the year, for sure not because they had too much help! Would you like to volunteer or donate some money to hire a teachers aid? Stop spouting stupid stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing abnormal about this.

kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well.

If you actually mean screaming or "long, loud piercing cries expressing extreme emotion or pain" the teacher would be calling 911 or the front office for help.

What you are talking about is loud kids.

I like how you went from loud kids to calling 911 as if these are the only two options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is nothing abnormal about this.

kid sits next to my child, then starts screaming random stuff, although not directly at my child. Then the other kids pick it up and start screaming as well.

If you actually mean screaming or "long, loud piercing cries expressing extreme emotion or pain" the teacher would be calling 911 or the front office for help.

What you are talking about is loud kids.

I like how you went from loud kids to calling 911 as if these are the only two options.

You're the one who called it "screaming." Screaming is really a strange thing to be doing in a classroom and I find it hard to believe there are multiple kids actually "screaming."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP. From talking to other parents that are unhappy with the class atmosphere at least 3 and I suspect all of the disrupting students have an IEP, ie learning disability. They are not the only students in the class on IEP, one of my child’s friends for example is very sweet, hard working and just always trying his best.

The reason this is relevant is that there is a school policy document that states students can’t be disciplined for a disability they have, but of course it’s difficult to say if the behavior is caused by the disability or it’s simply bad behavior that needs to be corrected. For example a student is diagnosed with lack of impulse control, so when he starts screaming is this a manifestation of the disability or he has a bad attitude? I could easily see how a disability can be cover for even the most egregious behavior.

Maybe this plays a role in the school not doing much about the situation, but there are lots of parents unhappy about it and thinking about changing schools.

If I heard that you were talking with other parents in the way you have spoken on this site I would find you a disgusting person and avoid. Anyone who gossips about kids with IEPs has no class. That is none of your business and it's completely false that students can't be disciplined for a disability. No school would ever have such a document.

On the off chance that some child with a disability has a stim that means the child screams regularly I cannot imagine that the IEP would not have a plan to remove the child from the classroom when that happens or to put him in a more supported class. Nothing in your post sounds true. You sound like a hateful and prejudice busy body with anxiety and control issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) You sound really tightly wound and so does your child. Take a deep breath. It's your anxiety and controlling nature talking. Unless your child has an LD or other kinds of special needs that would make them react abnormally to this situation they will be fine. 2) The teacher needs help. This is either because she's inexperienced or because the school is not helping her when she needs help. This is not on the students so stop fixating on them.

OP here. Im not anxious so stop projecting on me. I just want to make sure I’m not dumping my kid in an environment that bad for them, and really want to do my best they have a safe and exciting learning experience. In this case, I actually think it is the students. Gees, you’d think the teacher needs help? Surprise! Two already left from the beginning of the year, for sure not because they had too much help! Would you like to volunteer or donate some money to hire a teachers aid? Stop spouting stupid stuff.

What? Your child is not even complaining? You just want to prevent your child from not having an "exciting learning experience"? Lady, get some therapy.

[Anonymous]

911

[Anonymous]

Do you know the parents? Is there any scenario where the parents are told? I'm in private and this would absolutely be something also talked about between the parents of the involved kids, not just you and the school