Johns Hopkins is a Leader in Undergrad Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

How can someone finish a school like Hopkins and still believe that their donations even move the needle? Bloomberg dumped nearly $2 billion. He calls the shots now. You mad?

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Anonymous wrote:As the other poster pointed out upthread, Hopkins does a tremendous amount of recruiting of local kids from underperforming Baltimore City Schools, which has certainly boosted these numbers.

But it also calls into question how well Baltimore City Schools can prepare a kid to be competing on a grade curve with kids who went to places like Andover, Exeter, Stuyvesant, TJ, and Bronx Science.

Most of the increase in diversity has come from outreach to schools where Hopkins didn’t traditionally get kids so not Baltimore

Again, so obvious when people are commenting without having read the article and just regurgitating their own imo racist beliefs.

You do realize Hopkins didn't traditionally get kids from inner city Baltimore and DC schools, right?

Actually they have been recruiting from the Baltimore publics since I attended several decades ago.

How many kids where they taking from the schools where zero students tested proficient in math?

I guess you think you are funny, but you just sound racist and uneducated af. The Baltimore application public schools (City, Poly, Western, School for the Arts) send a good number of kids to elite schools every year and have done so fora long time.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an alum and wouldn't send my kid there. It's a definite slog with little school spirit and historically the students are incredibly intense because so many are pre-med. There was a decent amount of cheating, hiding of source documents in the library, etc. (Back in my era when there were required textbooks or readings on-loan in the library kids would check them all out and keep them/destroy them so their classmates couldn't read them). Basically--weird, super competitive stuff was not abnormal.

Also, historically kids would enter having had years and years of advanced high school science and math. My kids are on the "calculus in 11th grade track" at a non-magnet and if you had asked me if I'd feel like they would be prepared for Hopkins my gut would say "no way! They'll be really far behind many of their peers." Interestingly, I don't know how this jives with the heavy minority enrollment because many of these kids will be becoming from under resourced high schools that may not even offer AP classes, Calc BC, etc. How does this group jive with large percentage of kid coming from STEM magnets etc. who are 2 or 3 or 4 years beyond calculus in high school?
Hopkins would seem about the last school on the planet that's a good fit for some of these kids. And lest you say I'm a racist--I work daily with these kids. We have a bunch from very poorly resourced schools in DC and Baltimore who are heading to Hopkins this fall. They're smart but most have never had math beyond pre-calc. How are they going to jive with the 30% of the class that took linear algebra in high school? I'm sure many will do great but some will not. They'll realize that a STEM heavy, slog of a university is a terrible fit. It's just all a bit odd but I'm not the one making decisions at Hopkins.

Which makes me wonder, and the article doesn't address, how many of these diverse students actually graduate. The article talked a lot about those being admitted, and lots on the freshman class, but I didn't see anything on how many make it to the finish line, with a degree.

My guess is humanities and social science majors. The gunners applying for Hopkins want engineering or something health related.

Let’s assume kids of color are dumb! But we’re not bigots at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

How can someone finish a school like Hopkins and still believe that their donations even move the needle? Bloomberg dumped nearly $2 billion. He calls the shots now. You mad?

For the decline in what they are churning out? Talking to professors who say the past 5 years the students coming in are less and less prepared for the work.

Yes- mad about the declining merit of the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

They are going to fall in the ranks when merit is no longer the standard, just like Thomas Jefferson HS.

Those annual rankings don't effect the science being done at the Applied Physics Lab, the medicine at hospital system, the diplomats and bankers being trained at SAIS, etc. Are you still in high school yourself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

How can someone finish a school like Hopkins and still believe that their donations even move the needle? Bloomberg dumped nearly $2 billion. He calls the shots now. You mad?

For the decline in what they are churning out? Talking to professors who say the past 5 years the students coming in are less and less prepared for the work.

Yes- mad about the declining merit of the school.

Why do you assume it’s the diverse kids who aren”t prepared? Perhaps it’s the middle class kids from Montgomery County who were locked out of classrooms for a year, and have been the beneficiaries of massive grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

It’s not racist to say that when a country is 75% Caucasian, a university that accepts only 16% Caucasian is discriminating based on race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

They are going to fall in the ranks when merit is no longer the standard, just like Thomas Jefferson HS.

Those annual rankings don't effect the science being done at the Applied Physics Lab, the medicine at hospital system, the diplomats and bankers being trained at SAIS, etc. Are you still in high school yourself?

It is affecting the current med students according to my relative that works at JHU.

[Anonymous]

I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

How can someone finish a school like Hopkins and still believe that their donations even move the needle? Bloomberg dumped nearly $2 billion. He calls the shots now. You mad?

For the decline in what they are churning out? Talking to professors who say the past 5 years the students coming in are less and less prepared for the work.

Yes- mad about the declining merit of the school.

Why do you assume it’s the diverse kids who aren”t prepared? Perhaps it’s the middle class kids from Montgomery County who were locked out of classrooms for a year, and have been the beneficiaries of massive grade inflation.

Except the middle class white or Asian kid from MoCo isn't getting in unless s/he is extremely well-prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not racist to say that when a country is 75% Caucasian, a university that accepts only 16% Caucasian is discriminating based on race.

Same in the Princeton thread. And the SC and most AAs (polls) agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

My husband was an undergrad and said the pre-med kids used to change the test location--tell others time/location changed, etc. This was the 90s- pre-Internet.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not racist to say that when a country is 75% Caucasian, a university that accepts only 16% Caucasian is discriminating based on race.

Fact. And that it is treated like that is crazy. It's just a fact. A very compelling fact.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a graduate student at Hopkins in biology and didn't notice any of the cut throat behaviors. I did catch a kid cheating once.

My husband was an undergrad and said the pre-med kids used to change the test location--tell others time/location changed, etc. This was the 90s- pre-Internet.

I was at Hopkins in the 90s and, yes, the culture was awful across the board. I don't get that same vibe now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

They are going to fall in the ranks when merit is no longer the standard, just like Thomas Jefferson HS.

Those annual rankings don't effect the science being done at the Applied Physics Lab, the medicine at hospital system, the diplomats and bankers being trained at SAIS, etc. Are you still in high school yourself?

It is affecting the current med students according to my relative that works at JHU.

My spouse is a doctor a Hopkins who works directly with medical students and doesn’t share this opinion. The medical students are superstars, as always.