Johns Hopkins is a Leader in Undergrad Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

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Lawsuit waiting to happen.

Daniels has said a lot of whack stuff in the past few years.

Given the numbers, a strong case can be made. It’s stronger than the Harvard and UNC lawsuits.

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Anonymous wrote:As the other poster pointed out upthread, Hopkins does a tremendous amount of recruiting of local kids from underperforming Baltimore City Schools, which has certainly boosted these numbers.

But it also calls into question how well Baltimore City Schools can prepare a kid to be competing on a grade curve with kids who went to places like Andover, Exeter, Stuyvesant, TJ, and Bronx Science.

Most of the increase in diversity has come from outreach to schools where Hopkins didn’t traditionally get kids so not Baltimore

Again, so obvious when people are commenting without having read the article and just regurgitating their own imo racist beliefs.

You do realize Hopkins didn't traditionally get kids from inner city Baltimore and DC schools, right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

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Anonymous wrote:Thought UTexas Austin needed a shoutout here, since it has more diversity than Hopkins — and I believe more than any other selective school in the country. The Post article on Hopkins does not say the proportion of URMs who are actually low-income, but rest assured that the proportion at UT is much, much greater.

It does help that Texas is an extremely (and increasingly, especially thanks to immigration from all over the world) diverse state.

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Anonymous wrote:Lawsuit waiting to happen.

Daniels has said a lot of whack stuff in the past few years.

Given the numbers, a strong case can be made. It’s stronger than the Harvard and UNC lawsuits.

Light ‘em up!!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an alum and wouldn't send my kid there. It's a definite slog with little school spirit and historically the students are incredibly intense because so many are pre-med. There was a decent amount of cheating, hiding of source documents in the library, etc. (Back in my era when there were required textbooks or readings on-loan in the library kids would check them all out and keep them/destroy them so their classmates couldn't read them). Basically--weird, super competitive stuff was not abnormal.

Also, historically kids would enter having had years and years of advanced high school science and math. My kids are on the "calculus in 11th grade track" at a non-magnet and if you had asked me if I'd feel like they would be prepared for Hopkins my gut would say "no way! They'll be really far behind many of their peers." Interestingly, I don't know how this jives with the heavy minority enrollment because many of these kids will be becoming from under resourced high schools that may not even offer AP classes, Calc BC, etc. How does this group jive with large percentage of kid coming from STEM magnets etc. who are 2 or 3 or 4 years beyond calculus in high school?
Hopkins would seem about the last school on the planet that's a good fit for some of these kids. And lest you say I'm a racist--I work daily with these kids. We have a bunch from very poorly resourced schools in DC and Baltimore who are heading to Hopkins this fall. They're smart but most have never had math beyond pre-calc. How are they going to jive with the 30% of the class that took linear algebra in high school? I'm sure many will do great but some will not. They'll realize that a STEM heavy, slog of a university is a terrible fit. It's just all a bit odd but I'm not the one making decisions at Hopkins.

I was a grad student (and TA and instructor) there and these are true about the undergrads. We'd have students who would come argue for points (on an incomplete answer) to increase their 99/100 test score. Others who would cheat on a make-up test taken in our department library - boldly in front of a room of graduate students. It's not everyone, but the school does NOTHING about it, so the intense culture prevails. It is much worse among the pre-med and engineering students. My subject was not in these areas but was one that still attracted STEM students. My undergraduate school's leadership was much more proactive on community culture, learning culture, honor code, so this was foreign to me. Having seen the difference, I believe Hopkins leadership could make a big difference if they wanted to change the culture.

I'm above PP - I do applaud Hopkins, however, for ditching legacy admissions. I also think that plays a decent part in increasing diversity. On that dimension, they walk the walk. I would hope that they have programs in place to ensure their students succeed both mentally and academically.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

We still make our donations.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the other poster pointed out upthread, Hopkins does a tremendous amount of recruiting of local kids from underperforming Baltimore City Schools, which has certainly boosted these numbers.

But it also calls into question how well Baltimore City Schools can prepare a kid to be competing on a grade curve with kids who went to places like Andover, Exeter, Stuyvesant, TJ, and Bronx Science.

Most of the increase in diversity has come from outreach to schools where Hopkins didn’t traditionally get kids so not Baltimore

Again, so obvious when people are commenting without having read the article and just regurgitating their own imo racist beliefs.

You do realize Hopkins didn't traditionally get kids from inner city Baltimore and DC schools, right?

Actually they have been recruiting from the Baltimore publics since I attended several decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

I have heard that, too, especially from friends who were first gen and went into fields that were not high paying but that hopkins loves to be proud of their alumni for going into--for example, academia in the sciences or public health.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the other poster pointed out upthread, Hopkins does a tremendous amount of recruiting of local kids from underperforming Baltimore City Schools, which has certainly boosted these numbers.

But it also calls into question how well Baltimore City Schools can prepare a kid to be competing on a grade curve with kids who went to places like Andover, Exeter, Stuyvesant, TJ, and Bronx Science.

Most of the increase in diversity has come from outreach to schools where Hopkins didn’t traditionally get kids so not Baltimore

Again, so obvious when people are commenting without having read the article and just regurgitating their own imo racist beliefs.

You do realize Hopkins didn't traditionally get kids from inner city Baltimore and DC schools, right?

Actually they have been recruiting from the Baltimore publics since I attended several decades ago.

How many kids where they taking from the schools where zero students tested proficient in math?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

I have heard that, too, especially from friends who were first gen and went into fields that were not high paying but that hopkins loves to be proud of their alumni for going into--for example, academia in the sciences or public health.

+1 My husband has consistently donated since graduation --even with students loans and barely scraping by in the early years--he made a donation.

If your son (who exceeds all admission criteria- but white/legacy) is denied, the donations are done.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins iced legacy admissions several years ago. That is the larger part of the equation.

Alumni here. Still a little salty about that!

I'm okay with that because I didn't want my kids to go there anyway

Husband was poor/first Gen. He is livid that now are kid --being a white legacy (with a 4.0/4.6, 35 ACT, and all kinds of extracurriculars/awards) is being touted by Daniels as the exact type of student they do NOT want.

We have had dinners with the alumni outreach and they said that alumni all over the US are livid. Donations are no longer being made.

With Bloomberg’s donations, they don’t need your money.

They are going to fall in the ranks when merit is no longer the standard, just like Thomas Jefferson HS.