Why do people go to another state’s public university?

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Well if you and your kid are allowing something an overweight tour guide to influence your decision then none of you is serious or smart enough for UVA anyway. So you’re doing the school a favor.

Enjoy the mediocrity of ODU, the safety school for VCU.

Telling that you are only addressing the overweight criticism, but say nothing about the non stop "ums" and "uhs," nor the upspeak or inappropriate clothing.

Look, we didn't just show up on campus and start interacting with random people. In both cases, ODU and UVA, the school chose the dates and times they were available to lead tours. The schools chose which students they wanted to represent them to prospective students and families. The caliber of student chosen by ODU far surpassed what UVA chose. I don't know why UVA chose the way they did, but ODU made good choices.

ODU. Lol. Ok. Go there instead of UVA. That’s a GREAT idea.

I graduated 25 years ago. I'm not going to any college now or in the future. My kid can determine for themselves what caliber of student they'd like to be associated with, and they've made it very clear they don't want to be associated with upspeaking uh-ummers who don't know how to dress appropriately.

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Lots of reasons, better for major field of study, merit aid makes it more affordable, kid desires to live in a different part of the country for cultural reasons, etc.

May want to go to the same school as one of their parents.

Locally, the kid might not be accepted into UVA, VT or W&M in VA or UMD in MD.

Or as some have posted they might not find the state school a great fit. It happens.

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Anonymous wrote:San Diego State isn't that expensive for OOS students and it's in Southern California and ranks ok. What's not to like about that?

CSU schools aren't worth it OOS.

-signed a CSU grad

it still has an acceptance rate of less than 38% which is more prestigious than - UVA

? acceptance rate <> prestige.

SDSU is popular in state because it's cheap, in SD, easier to get into compared to most UCs. CA also has a lot more HSers than VA, so more people applying = lower rate of acceptance.

Also, UVA acceptance rate is much lower than 38%.

-CSU grad

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, we just had a huge thread on this!

Our state school is UMD. DC got in, liked it, but didn't want to be so close to home. Currently attends UCLA. It's worth every penny and we can afford it. There are a lot of great public universities out there and I think it's great for young people to experience a different geographic region.

Well, sure. But that’s UCLA over UMD. Who wouldn’t make that choice?

Well, sure - and is that not part of a good answer to the thread Q?

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As a previous poster mentioned, for DC residents all we have is UDC and it isn't yet on par with most OOS flagships. My kids were offered scholarships to attend their public universities that brought the cost down to in state tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Well if you and your kid are allowing something an overweight tour guide to influence your decision then none of you is serious or smart enough for UVA anyway. So you’re doing the school a favor.

Enjoy the mediocrity of ODU, the safety school for VCU.

Telling that you are only addressing the overweight criticism, but say nothing about the non stop "ums" and "uhs," nor the upspeak or inappropriate clothing.

Look, we didn't just show up on campus and start interacting with random people. In both cases, ODU and UVA, the school chose the dates and times they were available to lead tours. The schools chose which students they wanted to represent them to prospective students and families. The caliber of student chosen by ODU far surpassed what UVA chose. I don't know why UVA chose the way they did, but ODU made good choices.

ODU. Lol. Ok. Go there instead of UVA. That’s a GREAT idea.

I graduated 25 years ago. I'm not going to any college now or in the future. My kid can determine for themselves what caliber of student they'd like to be associated with, and they've made it very clear they don't want to be associated with upspeaking uh-ummers who don't know how to dress appropriately.

Nice defense mechanism. The kid ain’t getting in and you know it. So just go ahead and blame the fat girl if it makes you feel better.

Of course he isn't because he isn't applying there. Not worth wasting money on the application fee or fee to send test score.

Right. He isn’t applying because he knows full well he ain’t getting in.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Well if you and your kid are allowing something an overweight tour guide to influence your decision then none of you is serious or smart enough for UVA anyway. So you’re doing the school a favor.

Enjoy the mediocrity of ODU, the safety school for VCU.

Telling that you are only addressing the overweight criticism, but say nothing about the non stop "ums" and "uhs," nor the upspeak or inappropriate clothing.

Look, we didn't just show up on campus and start interacting with random people. In both cases, ODU and UVA, the school chose the dates and times they were available to lead tours. The schools chose which students they wanted to represent them to prospective students and families. The caliber of student chosen by ODU far surpassed what UVA chose. I don't know why UVA chose the way they did, but ODU made good choices.

ODU. Lol. Ok. Go there instead of UVA. That’s a GREAT idea.

I graduated 25 years ago. I'm not going to any college now or in the future. My kid can determine for themselves what caliber of student they'd like to be associated with, and they've made it very clear they don't want to be associated with upspeaking uh-ummers who don't know how to dress appropriately.

Nice defense mechanism. The kid ain’t getting in and you know it. So just go ahead and blame the fat girl if it makes you feel better.

Of course he isn't because he isn't applying there. Not worth wasting money on the application fee or fee to send test score.

Right. He isn’t applying because he knows full well he ain’t getting in.

Thanks for proving the tour guide wasn't an anomaly.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of reasons, better for major field of study, merit aid makes it more affordable, kid desires to live in a different part of the country for cultural reasons, etc.

May want to go to the same school as one of their parents.

Locally, the kid might not be accepted into UVA, VT or W&M in VA or UMD in MD.

Or as some have posted they might not find the state school a great fit. It happens.

Exactly, it's not complicated

I'd much prefer a thread like "If DC chose an OOS Public University - what were the reasons for that" Could then learn about various OOS schools and get some insights from the thinking behind it. Half of this thread is pie throwing about UVA, which I learn nothing from. Such thread will have to wait probably - the limit for OOS discussion seems to have been met and then some.

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Anonymous wrote:Every state has its own public university (and typically multiple options or campuses). They provide access to the maximum number of students in the most efficient manner and they all have reputable programs and departments consistent with that state’s means and priorities.

So, why send your kid to another state’s public schools? I get that some people may not like the quality of any public school because of size or personal attention or prestige and therefore choose to pay extra for a private school, but if you send your kid to another state’s public school, you’re just paying private tuition rates (typically) for another state’s public option. Some people may also not like how the legislature misuses their own state schools for political gain by banning certain things or emphasizing others to the detriment of the overall education and thinks other states prioritize public universities more, but at least in your own state you have a say in that through your vote. And if you really hate your home state’s public universities, you often can move to another state, especially in a place like the DC area where you can do it without necessarily changing jobs, just like people move neighborhoods to send their kids to different public school systems.

Some of us live in DC where every schools is an out of state public.

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Didn’t get into UVA or W &M but wanted an equally high-achieving student body.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t get into UVA or W &M but wanted an equally high-achieving student body.

THIS. Thank you. Spare me the “we want the out of state experience.” You get into one of these in state schools and you jump on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

DP. I’m not from this area so I’ve never heard of ODU before living here. I have no idea what the admittance rate is like. If we were in the area, we may have checked it out just as a data point.

This past summer my DD did an intensive sports camp and we checked out a few colleges around the area without much prior knowledge. We were nearby and are trying to get a feel for what various types of campuses are like (city/rural, big/little, etc.). I still don’t even know any details about them or if my kid would apply to them.

It’s very feasible that kids check out a variety of schools earlier in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't get into our big state school but another state offered admission.

EXACTLY. Thanks for stating the obvious. At times the college forum is like a Trump rally. Folks refuse to admit the obvious even when it’s staring them squarely in the face.

The oppositional fanatics sure like drama.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not really. UVA is the #42 best undergrad engineering program in the US. So many other OOS flagships are much better. DC attends an OOS university and was accepted to UVA.

That includes most STEM majors at UVA as well. It’s funny how quickly UVA boosters dismiss the relative weakness of the hard science disciplines at their school. Then they try to tell others that want more highly ranked departments at OOS publics that they’re only going there because they couldn’t get into the flagship. If I want a top Engineering program that I can find and I live in Virginia, I am going out of state to the best school I can afford whether it be public or private. This nonsense about being not worth it to go to any OOS public is ridiculous.

It really depends. If the difference in ranking between the OOS and in state program is not that different (#15 vs #20), I don't think it makes financial sense to go oos.

If you want to go oos for different reasons, I can understand that. But, if you go purely by ranking and cost, that minimal difference in ranking really doesn't matter.

I don't live in VA, btw.

Right. Not everyone does that.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t get into UVA or W &M but wanted an equally high-achieving student body.

THIS. Thank you. Spare me the “we want the out of state experience.” You get into one of these in state schools and you jump on them.

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