Won't the AA ruling be particularly bad for private school URMs?

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Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for our AA middle class family who valued education and academic success over athletics? We'll need near perfect SAT scores, 5.4 GPA and amazing ECs for a chance? Guess I should have put a basketball in my kid's hands at birth instead of a book.

It will mean what it has always meant for Black people, working twice as hard for half as much. It will mean the only people with an edge are those with the ability to “play the game” through dubious means of network and influence.

It will mean that they are in the same situation that every unhooked white and asian kid was in previously. I guess having to compete on a level playing field is working twice as hard now

Nope, the field has NEVER been level for Black people in this country.

Here’s what the SCt. opinion says:

“At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race af­fected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspira­tion, or otherwise…A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrim­ination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose herit­age or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her ex­periences as an individual—not on the basis of race.”

Btw, Harvard University has highlighted this very quote in its communication to students and alumni today. They said they will follow the SCt’s ruling and continue to assemble a diverse class based on the law.

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Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for our AA middle class family who valued education and academic success over athletics? We'll need near perfect SAT scores, 5.4 GPA and amazing ECs for a chance? Guess I should have put a basketball in my kid's hands at birth instead of a book.

It will mean what it has always meant for Black people, working twice as hard for half as much. It will mean the only people with an edge are those with the ability to “play the game” through dubious means of network and influence.

It will mean that they are in the same situation that every unhooked white and asian kid was in previously. I guess having to compete on a level playing field is working twice as hard now

Nope, the field has NEVER been level for Black people in this country.

Here’s what the SCt. opinion says:

“At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race af­fected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspira­tion, or otherwise…A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrim­ination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose herit­age or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her ex­periences as an individual—not on the basis of race.”

I don’t disagree with you and believe that discrimination is an ongoing problem in our society. The question is how to remedy that blight. And, politically (and judicially), I don’t see that AA ever garnered enough mainstream support. In actual liberal DC with what sometimes feels like a monolithic political view, people are/were willing to disagree with it.

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What will happen is this… whites and others will realize that a handful of black students are not the reason little Johnny or Susan did not get into whatever school they were rejected from.

Always a racist assumption that every rejected white candidate was a better candidate that the black or brown one that actually got in.
Unfathomable to these racists that we might have better grades,better test scores, have gone to better schools…. You name it.

The lies they tell themselves! Whew! As if Harvard/ Yale/Princeton are opening their doors to all blacks and browns that apply!

If only! Lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for our AA middle class family who valued education and academic success over athletics? We'll need near perfect SAT scores, 5.4 GPA and amazing ECs for a chance? Guess I should have put a basketball in my kid's hands at birth instead of a book.

It will mean what it has always meant for Black people, working twice as hard for half as much. It will mean the only people with an edge are those with the ability to “play the game” through dubious means of network and influence.

It will mean that they are in the same situation that every unhooked white and asian kid was in previously. I guess having to compete on a level playing field is working twice as hard now

Do you understand the reasons behind the establishment of affirmative action? As previously mentioned at 16:35, there have been persistent and systemic injustices against minority groups that have resulted in an unfair playing field. Affirmative action was implemented to tackle the historical and ongoing discrimination, particularly in terms of race and gender.

There is NOT a level playing field for many of us and yes we have to continously work twice as hard to dig oursleves out of the hole caused by systemic inequities. I would imagine it's easier when you don't have a hole to dig out of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What will happen is this… whites and others will realize that a handful of black students are not the reason little Johnny or Susan did not get into whatever school they were rejected from.

Always a racist assumption that every rejected white candidate was a better candidate that the black or brown one that actually got in.
Unfathomable to these racists that we might have better grades,better test scores, have gone to better schools…. You name it.

The lies they tell themselves! Whew! As if Harvard/ Yale/Princeton are opening their doors to all blacks and browns that apply!

If only! Lol

Well then this shouldn’t change anything substantive, right?

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There are plenty of poor kids in Maryland in Baltimore City and on the eastern shore of Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of poor kids in Maryland in Baltimore City and on the eastern shore of Maryland.

Then they should write about that in their essays and let the colleges decide if they should be admitted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What will happen is this… whites and others will realize that a handful of black students are not the reason little Johnny or Susan did not get into whatever school they were rejected from.

Always a racist assumption that every rejected white candidate was a better candidate that the black or brown one that actually got in.
Unfathomable to these racists that we might have better grades,better test scores, have gone to better schools…. You name it.

The lies they tell themselves! Whew! As if Harvard/ Yale/Princeton are opening their doors to all blacks and browns that apply!

If only! Lol

Well then this shouldn’t change anything substantive, right?

No. There is substantive harm done to people of color as a result of this decision and at the same time, those that thought that the end of AA in college admissions would help their little “genius” get into HYP will be sorely disappointed.

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Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for our AA middle class family who valued education and academic success over athletics? We'll need near perfect SAT scores, 5.4 GPA and amazing ECs for a chance? Guess I should have put a basketball in my kid's hands at birth instead of a book.

It will mean what it has always meant for Black people, working twice as hard for half as much. It will mean the only people with an edge are those with the ability to “play the game” through dubious means of network and influence.

It will mean that they are in the same situation that every unhooked white and asian kid was in previously. I guess having to compete on a level playing field is working twice as hard now

Do you understand the reasons behind the establishment of affirmative action? As previously mentioned at 16:35, there have been persistent and systemic injustices against minority groups that have resulted in an unfair playing field. Affirmative action was implemented to tackle the historical and ongoing discrimination, particularly in terms of race and gender.

There is NOT a level playing field for many of us and yes we have to continously work twice as hard to dig oursleves out of the hole caused by systemic inequities. I would imagine it's easier when you don't have a hole to dig out of.

Don’t waste your breath. They have no clue what it is to be black in America. Never will.

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I get it, you are panicking too. Don't worry...your entitlement and privilege will probably be just fine. It doesn't look like a meltdown to you because you are probably feeling the panic too.

Again, you have no argument. All you have to offer are insults and this again looks very bad for your position. I'm open to hearing people make a case for AA not being discriminatory if they actually have one. Your kind of propaganda really turns me off though. What a great way to actually bolster the other side's position. Makes me truly sad that this is what discussions are like these days.

By the way, I'm not white. I'm solidly middle class Asian American (who came from very poor east Asian war refugee parents, not the wealthy variety of Asian). No panic in the slightest, because my DD's chances of being admitted a top 10 were almost nil to begin with and remain almost nil now. No big change for us. She's super bright and motivated, but we probably couldn't afford a T10 anyway after spending way too much on private high school. Better to go some place with a chance of a scholarship and be debt free.

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Why does everyone assume that white students will be the biggest beneficiaries of this? I think high achieving Asian students will be. Who is getting the perfect SAT scores? Who is at the top of the class at schools line TJ? Who is doing original scientific research in high school? And whose admissions have been artificially suppressed (by, for example, Harvard’s likeability rating)?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone assume that white students will be the biggest beneficiaries of this? I think high achieving Asian students will be. Who is getting the perfect SAT scores? Who is at the top of the class at schools line TJ? Who is doing original scientific research in high school? And whose admissions have been artificially suppressed (by, for example, Harvard’s likeability rating)?

Because…history. Mark my words, Asians will NOT be the primary beneficiaries of this ruling. Why do you think test-optional is still a thing (and in some cases “permanent”)?

Be careful about what you ask for…

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We’ll circle back in 5 years and see how much the college demographics have changed after this ruling. My guess is not much will change at all l, but at least URMs would no longer have AA thrown in their face at every turn.

[Anonymous]

These URM will still be coveted by universities as well prepared students that are diverse and likely to succeed. In the case of our school - most will also be from wealthy full pay families.

The applicants can clearly self-identify in their essays.

Private high schools are relatively small - it will not be hard for an AO to tell the difference between the diverse and non-diverse options from a given school's applicant pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I would think the decision means that legacy preferences aren’t long for the world. Hard to justify keeping that while eliminating race and the politics will become too difficult to keep the legacy preferences whatever you think of them

Why would you jump to that conclusion?

It’s not a novel thought. Legacy admissions almost certainly will be on the chopping block as schools reimagine admissions policies.

(I'd love legacy to go away but....) think about WHO made this decision. There's no way "those guys" have an issue with legacy policies.