Won't the AA ruling be particularly bad for private school URMs?

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Sorry to hear that your family wasn’t admitted to Jack and Jill. Try Mocha Mom’s—they take anyone.

Oh nah we had no desire to be admitted to Jack and Jill, we don’t do the buckdancing in my family and just don’t want to be around the type of bootlicks that belong.

Growing up I had friends with families that belonged to that group and I have been to some of the functions. There are good people that belong to the organization, but the Boulé atmosphere isn’t for me.

Good! Everything isn’t for everybody, and Jack and Jill clearly isn’t for you.

I’m so happy that my chapter has limited the number of Jack and Jill events that non-members can attend. I prefer not to socialize with Black people like you, who envy the success of other Black people. Crabs in a barrel.

Bootlicking and buckdancing doesn’t equate success to me.

NP here. I love the contradiction that unfolds in a matter of words. Jack and Jill isn't for everyone, but I'm going to judge you because you don't like it.

I don’t care who doesn’t like J&J. I’m a second generation member so I’m VERY accustomed to J&J haters. Y’all are hating from outside the club—lol.

Again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you didn't care abut people who don't like J&J, why do you refer to them as haters? If you don't care, why are you even posting?

I enjoy poking J&J haters like you—I just don’t care about what you/they think of the organization. I have an older sibling, so I’ve been an unapologetically proud member of this amazing organization my entire life. Seethe (from outside the club—lol).

I'm not a J&J hater. Just pointing out your contradiction. Now I know you're just a troll.

And I’ve known from your very first post (and the other bitter posters) that you’re all J&J haters! It’s so amusing.

Girl, as one sister to another, you really need to get yourself a life!

She’s not a sister. She thinks she’s something else.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Sorry to hear that your family wasn’t admitted to Jack and Jill. Try Mocha Mom’s—they take anyone.

Oh nah we had no desire to be admitted to Jack and Jill, we don’t do the buckdancing in my family and just don’t want to be around the type of bootlicks that belong.

Growing up I had friends with families that belonged to that group and I have been to some of the functions. There are good people that belong to the organization, but the Boulé atmosphere isn’t for me.

Good! Everything isn’t for everybody, and Jack and Jill clearly isn’t for you.

I’m so happy that my chapter has limited the number of Jack and Jill events that non-members can attend. I prefer not to socialize with Black people like you, who envy the success of other Black people. Crabs in a barrel.

Bootlicking and buckdancing doesn’t equate success to me.

NP here. I love the contradiction that unfolds in a matter of words. Jack and Jill isn't for everyone, but I'm going to judge you because you don't like it.

I don’t care who doesn’t like J&J. I’m a second generation member so I’m VERY accustomed to J&J haters. Y’all are hating from outside the club—lol.

Again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you didn't care abut people who don't like J&J, why do you refer to them as haters? If you don't care, why are you even posting?

I enjoy poking J&J haters like you—I just don’t care about what you/they think of the organization. I have an older sibling, so I’ve been an unapologetically proud member of this amazing organization my entire life. Seethe (from outside the club—lol).

I'm not a J&J hater. Just pointing out your contradiction. Now I know you're just a troll.

And I’ve known from your very first post (and the other bitter posters) that you’re all J&J haters! It’s so amusing.

Girl, as one sister to another, you really need to get yourself a life!

Lol—I have the life that you wish you had, hater.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is that all of these entitled white families assume that the SCOTUS decision is going to mean that their children get admitted to top schools instead of some black or Hispanic kid.

But what’s really going to happen — at least at the top schools — is a modest decline in black and Hispanic admits (because colleges will find proxies for race) and a huge spike in Asian admits. Once again white people always assume that they get there on merit while people of color don’t. Many Asian applicants outshine white applicants, and their numbers are going to rise. Again, this will be most pronounced at the top schools.

Actually the supreme court decision explicitly specifies that it is unconstitutional to "find proxies for race." I mean, the universities can do that, but if it can be shown that the proxies result in preferences for one race over another, then it's very easy to sue for damages because that is now unconstitutional.

Proving that case is going to be extraordinarily difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

Lol no. The black students at my kid’s school are all rich af. I guess it’s good that my white FA kid is not growing up with the stereotype that black = poor!

Why would you think that rich black parents aren’t choosing privates, like their rich white counterparts? Or do you just think that rich black parents don’t exist? I assure you that I am behind their BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas all the time.

+1. Yes, whoever wrote that post doesn’t know any wealthy Black people. Most of the Jack & Jill members in my chapter send their children to private school (especially for high school). Many of them (the parents) graduated from private high schools as well. They are not taking any chances with DCPS or public charters.

“Our Kind of People”

Didn’t know Jack and Jill was still around. Too many sellouts in that group

Sorry to hear that your family wasn’t admitted to Jack and Jill. Try Mocha Mom’s—they take anyone.

Oh nah we had no desire to be admitted to Jack and Jill, we don’t do the buckdancing in my family and just don’t want to be around the type of bootlicks that belong.

Growing up I had friends with families that belonged to that group and I have been to some of the functions. There are good people that belong to the organization, but the Boulé atmosphere isn’t for me.

Good! Everything isn’t for everybody, and Jack and Jill clearly isn’t for you.

I’m so happy that my chapter has limited the number of Jack and Jill events that non-members can attend. I prefer not to socialize with Black people like you, who envy the success of other Black people. Crabs in a barrel.

Bootlicking and buckdancing doesn’t equate success to me.

NP here. I love the contradiction that unfolds in a matter of words. Jack and Jill isn't for everyone, but I'm going to judge you because you don't like it.

I don’t care who doesn’t like J&J. I’m a second generation member so I’m VERY accustomed to J&J haters. Y’all are hating from outside the club—lol.

Again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you didn't care abut people who don't like J&J, why do you refer to them as haters? If you don't care, why are you even posting?

I enjoy poking J&J haters like you—I just don’t care about what you/they think of the organization. I have an older sibling, so I’ve been an unapologetically proud member of this amazing organization my entire life. Seethe (from outside the club—lol).

I'm not a J&J hater. Just pointing out your contradiction. Now I know you're just a troll.

And I’ve known from your very first post (and the other bitter posters) that you’re all J&J haters! It’s so amusing.

Girl, as one sister to another, you really need to get yourself a life!

Lol—I have the life that you wish you had, hater.

Yeah, she’s a whole different type of colored folk than you.

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Wow. Now the Black privates parents are tearing into each other. This is a great thread for seeing you all as you really are.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is that all of these entitled white families assume that the SCOTUS decision is going to mean that their children get admitted to top schools instead of some black or Hispanic kid.

But what’s really going to happen — at least at the top schools — is a modest decline in black and Hispanic admits (because colleges will find proxies for race) and a huge spike in Asian admits. Once again white people always assume that they get there on merit while people of color don’t. Many Asian applicants outshine white applicants, and their numbers are going to rise. Again, this will be most pronounced at the top schools.

Actually the supreme court decision explicitly specifies that it is unconstitutional to "find proxies for race." I mean, the universities can do that, but if it can be shown that the proxies result in preferences for one race over another, then it's very easy to sue for damages because that is now unconstitutional.

Proving that case is going to be extraordinarily difficult.

Getting to the “right” racial numbers without recordkeeping is also going to be challenging. Especially at the scale larger colleges operate at.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is that all of these entitled white families assume that the SCOTUS decision is going to mean that their children get admitted to top schools instead of some black or Hispanic kid.

But what’s really going to happen — at least at the top schools — is a modest decline in black and Hispanic admits (because colleges will find proxies for race) and a huge spike in Asian admits. Once again white people always assume that they get there on merit while people of color don’t. Many Asian applicants outshine white applicants, and their numbers are going to rise. Again, this will be most pronounced at the top schools.

Asians are only 6% of the population with 54% ish college graduates rate. This translates to about 6% of the total number of college students. Whites college students were 42% and Hispanic 17.5%. I know you think every Asian has the highest stats but that is not true. It is a racist stereotype.

There are more white(15/1) and Hispanic(3/1) students with top stats vs Asian. Top schools like Harvard are selecting students from a pool with identical in terms of sat, act, gpa, etc.

The data about Asians applies to only Harvard. Which has a class size of 1,600.

At Caltech in 2022-23, Whites comprised 45% of undergraduates and Asian Americans comprised 44%. Get ready for more stats trending in that direction at top schools.

https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

And Asians outnumber whites at UC Berkeley --

Whites = 10,761 students

Asians = 12,931 students

https://admissionsight.com/berkeley-diversity-statistics/

For context, whites account for about 37 percent of California's population, while Asians account for 15 percent.

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I can’t wait to start a plumber apprentice biz and overcharge y’all.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Now the Black privates parents are tearing into each other. This is a great thread for seeing you all as you really are.

Well this sort of thing is documented history. All you have to do is listen the Malcom X’s very entertaining speech about the house and the field. He thoroughly breaks this down.

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Former Jack and Jill parent here and I'm absolutely mortified by this poster gleefully putting down others. J&J isn't for everyone, and that's fine. This kind of foolish smygnedd goes against everything the organization stands for.

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Foolish nonsense

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Now the Black privates parents are tearing into each other. This is a great thread for seeing you all as you really are.

Did you think all black people get along? Do all white people get along?

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Anonymous wrote:Former Jack and Jill parent here and I'm absolutely mortified by this poster gleefully putting down others. J&J isn't for everyone, and that's fine. This kind of foolish smygnedd goes against everything the organization stands for.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Now the Black privates parents are tearing into each other. This is a great thread for seeing you all as you really are.

Well this sort of thing is documented history. All you have to do is listen the Malcom X’s very entertaining speech about the house and the field. He thoroughly breaks this down.

Or maybe the one where Malcom X calls MLK a sort of modern day Uncle Tom

Honestly, what DCUM should take from all this is that black people just like white people have political/cultural disagreements. That really should not be a revelation to you.

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Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for our AA middle class family who valued education and academic success over athletics? We'll need near perfect SAT scores, 5.4 GPA and amazing ECs for a chance? Guess I should have put a basketball in my kid's hands at birth instead of a book.

It will mean what it has always meant for Black people, working twice as hard for half as much. It will mean the only people with an edge are those with the ability to “play the game” through dubious means of network and influence.

It will mean that they are in the same situation that every unhooked white and asian kid was in previously. I guess having to compete on a level playing field is working twice as hard now

Nope, the field has NEVER been level for Black people in this country.

Here’s what the SCt. opinion says:

“At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race af­fected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspira­tion, or otherwise…A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrim­ination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose herit­age or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her ex­periences as an individual—not on the basis of race.”

I don’t disagree with you and believe that discrimination is an ongoing problem in our society. The question is how to remedy that blight. And, politically (and judicially), I don’t see that AA ever garnered enough mainstream support. In actual liberal DC with what sometimes feels like a monolithic political view, people are/were willing to disagree with it.

It doesn't matter if the practice garnered mainline support, that isn't the determining factor if a practice should be in place. In this I am not sharing if I agree wtih the SC decision or not.