US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s wait to actually hear the impact of this. Consider who pushed this case in the first case. Not exactly a friend of Asians.

The folks that pushed for family-based immigration in the 60s were not friends of Asians either but see how that ended up working in their favor. Hope this is a repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that this helps poor, rural whites. SC decision deplored admitting affluent blacks as a way to increase black enrollment. Kids of all races attending great schools in large MSAs are f*cked.

Where does everyone think this enormous pool of financial aid for poor rural and first gen students is coming from? Sure the Ivys and a few other select schools can afford it, but the majority of colleges need tuition paying students. I guess the most valuable students will shift from full pay URMs to full pay rural and first gen

This lawsuit was only about a small number of colleges who can afford to admit whoever they like.

The rest of them are getting boned by this.

This might be the end of need blind at elite schools also.

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

In synopsis I glanced, the Court summarized affirmative action is stereotypical, something to that effect, assuming all race thinks alike, are similar, etc. I guess affirmative action assumes certain people are just naturally challenged intellectually. This is a great day for URM, as they will no longer be assumed to be inferior. Those who make it will be presumed to be qualified. Finally, URMs will receive equal treatment under the law. It's a great day in America when all people, whites, brown, and blacks are judged by the content of their character.

That will take decades. Whether URM recognize it or not, damages from AA is long-lasting.

We are quite familiar with long lasting damage. My family is still suffering from redlining. Whether you recognize that or not.

Your intention to continue pre-judging URMs for the next few decades has been noted.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

It should rule out the 1/3 that lie about being Native American

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Colleges can still cover African American based on SES like "living ancestor was explicitly persecuted by law".

Preferences for Hispanics might be a harder sell, but preference for non-citizen might be acceptable?

Asians vs Whites are probably the main practical consequence of this law.

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Anonymous wrote:White students will not benefit. LOL. Be careful what you ask for.

Now do (1) legacy admissions, (2) development admissions, (3) faculty admissions!

Sure. Not afraid of that. Unhooked smart white kids very high test scores/gpa.

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Roberts: "nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise."

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Colleses inheretnly love money lol

There are also plenty of low income first gen Asians.

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OP, that wasn't the actual holding. They said THIS application of it was invalid because they stereotyped and used race as a negative (still holding that race can be used a positive); and it had no end date (dubious use of Connor's comment, but alas, still not saying it can't be done, rather that the process needs an end point).

"But we have permitted race-based admissions only within the confines of narrow restrictions. University programs must comply with strict scrutiny, they may never use race as a stereotype or negative, and--at some point—they must end. Respondents’ admissions systems—however well intentioned and implemented in good faith—fail each of these criteria. They must therefore be invalidated under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.4"

So the holding is that these programs failed strict scrutiny. However, this case still allows race to be used as a positive factor in an individual case, and their processes must have end dates. So, arguably, if reviewed regularly for need and justification and with sunset clauses it would appear to be fine. The point being of course, that AA was always meant to be a remedy for the effects of past discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:States of California and Michigan had already banned use of race in college admissions decisions.

But admissions in CA and MI still use race as identified in essays. CA explicitly says their goal is to a have mixed and diverse student body. This will not change much - admissions will figure out how to target/identify the students they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank goodness.
Our private is packed with medicore minorities (many wealthy Bank and IMF kids) who got all sorts of benefit. this bothered me the most.

IMF coughs up a ton of money for tuition reimbursement. Are you bothered that the IMF writes those checks, or that your private cashes them?

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Anonymous wrote:It is now banned at private colleges and universities, but was not previously. Some of these posters are so uneducated - probably previous affirmative action admits lol

It is banned on paper. Admissions offices have already prepared work arounds. The diversity composition won't be affected.

Geography, socio-economic demographics, pipeline programs, "special talents," etc.

I think they are all going to be very very careful next admissions cycle.

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So, does this mean I can lie about race on college applications (or falsely imply in an essay that I'm a particular race)? This way if the college has a backdoor program, I'll benefit but since it's an illegal criteria, I can't be penalized if the college finds out, right?

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That will take decades. Whether URM recognize it or not, damages from AA is long-lasting.

It is not affirmative action that is the problem it is racism. Even before affirmative action existed in college admissions, URMs that graduated from competitive colleges were often still perceived to be less capable than whites who graduated from less-competitive colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

Exactly - this means not much will change. Admissions will just have to work a little harder to find a new way to identify and sort out these applications.