Didn’t want UMD

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

sure, and these types are aholes, and they are dying off.

Regardless, if a woman (or man) can't handle advanced math, then they shouldn't be in a heavy math major, irrespective of their gender or skin color.

Someone mentioned how ridiculous it was that parents were shelling out so much money for tutors so that their kids can have high stats. These types of students would probably struggle in advanced math in college if they don't have tutors. Similarly, a student who was admitted for DEI purposes but who is not as strong in advanced math would also struggle.

Neither students are served by this type of admissions standards with respect to being able to handle the hard math classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

+1

Looking at something directly versus from the corner of your eye (or lens) affects the perspective. And mathematicians care a TON about perspective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

PP you should pick another hill to defend. Perspective matters in both soft and hard sciences. The real difference being that in the hard sciences just how much perspective matters can be captured in mathematical proofs.

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand that, and my DC felt the same. However, DC is majoring in CS, plus merit, and with UMDCP being T20 for CS, it was a no brainer. If DC got into MIT or CMU, that would be a different story. But, the otherwise, the cost differential in cost for a CS major for OOS didn't make sense.

Whether it makes sense to go OOS and not UMD depends on the major and your finances.

DC majoring in CS is going not dispite all that you mentioned, going to an another big school lower ranked in CS, cost similar though after scholarships.
But the other school is large also, old buildings, old dorm (compare to UMD new honors dorm) but in a lovely city

sure, for some kids, being away from MD is more important than how good the CS program is.

I'm not originally from MD, and I'm not exactly rah rah over MD, so I can understand the appeal of moving some place else.

My DC wanted to get out of MD, too, but they cared more about the CS program than getting away. They can find a job in another state after they graduate and move.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

+1

Looking at something directly versus from the corner of your eye (or lens) affects the perspective. And mathematicians care a TON about perspective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

PP you should pick another hill to defend. Perspective matters in both soft and hard sciences. The real difference being that in the hard sciences just how much perspective matters can be captured in mathematical proofs.

Never did I state that there aren't different perspectives to math, but whatever perspective you have, you better be able to get to the answer quickly and accurately.

Unlike humanities majors, there is a right and wrong answer when it comes to math.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

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My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

As is science but the minority got into Northwestern and MIT in the school this year when others who were not had good, if not better stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

+1

Looking at something directly versus from the corner of your eye (or lens) affects the perspective. And mathematicians care a TON about perspective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion

PP you should pick another hill to defend. Perspective matters in both soft and hard sciences. The real difference being that in the hard sciences just how much perspective matters can be captured in mathematical proofs.

LOL! You beat me to it! The optics section in physics was my favorite

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Anonymous wrote:We went to MD Day once when the kids were much younger, and my DC had an immediate hate for the campus. By the time she was a senior, she still didn't want a big campus, and we were getting comparable COA at other schools. I went to my state flagship, and liked that campus and surrounding area better than College Park, but do have my regrets about the big school experience, so I wasn't pushing UMD either. DC is now about to graduate, and I think it was the right decision for her. She has plenty of friends graduating from UMD, and that's been fine, too. Only point is, at the time, it would have taken a lot of arm twisting to get DC to go to UMD, don't think she even wanted to do a tour for admitted students. But if she goes to grad school, I think she'd now be fine with it.

+1. Yeah. I understand. My daughter didn’t even consider that UMD ranked well in a couple of things she wants to study AND is good for jobs/ internship opportunities. The immediate response was “I don’t like it and I want to get away from here”. Not a good way to analyze the school.

Same she is going to a lower ranked school just to avoid UMD

Dumb kid. Vegetables are good for you but many kids don’t eat them because they don’t like them.

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UMD is Steely Dan

IU is shania Twain

YES

UMD is Steely Dan.. Complex, urban, beautifully complex.

Steely Dan was literally Bard College. Nothing like UMD.

UMD is like Larry David. Kind of interesting and then just flat-out annoying.

IU is like Brad Pitt. Or Katie Holmes. Kind of boring but certainly attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:And certainly medicine suffered when it was ruled by white men alone.

Many of the posters here need to get out of the country club and realize the world is changing.

NO field should be walled off from social realities.

that was due to racism and even prevented smart poc from going to medical school. That had nothing to do with "perspective" and DEI.

Oh, so they got everything right on being female before women were accepted into medical school?

https://time.com/6074224/gender-medicine-history/

You have SO much to learn.

Sounds like you did not get enough exposure to other perspectives, TBH.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to MD Day once when the kids were much younger, and my DC had an immediate hate for the campus. By the time she was a senior, she still didn't want a big campus, and we were getting comparable COA at other schools. I went to my state flagship, and liked that campus and surrounding area better than College Park, but do have my regrets about the big school experience, so I wasn't pushing UMD either. DC is now about to graduate, and I think it was the right decision for her. She has plenty of friends graduating from UMD, and that's been fine, too. Only point is, at the time, it would have taken a lot of arm twisting to get DC to go to UMD, don't think she even wanted to do a tour for admitted students. But if she goes to grad school, I think she'd now be fine with it.

+1. Yeah. I understand. My daughter didn’t even consider that UMD ranked well in a couple of things she wants to study AND is good for jobs/ internship opportunities. The immediate response was “I don’t like it and I want to get away from here”. Not a good way to analyze the school.

Same she is going to a lower ranked school just to avoid UMD

Dumb kid. Vegetables are good for you but many kids don’t eat them because they don’t like them.

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No kid can be less stressed and crazy and take honors at the top of the class. Win win. And eat broccoli.

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Anonymous wrote:And certainly medicine suffered when it was ruled by white men alone.

Many of the posters here need to get out of the country club and realize the world is changing.

NO field should be walled off from social realities.

that was due to racism and even prevented smart poc from going to medical school. That had nothing to do with "perspective" and DEI.

Oh, so they got everything right on being female before women were accepted into medical school?

https://time.com/6074224/gender-medicine-history/

You have SO much to learn.

Sounds like you did not get enough exposure to other perspectives, TBH.

Yes, diversity in medical school is important:

https://www.aamc.org/news/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain

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UMD is amazing. College campus is alright. College Park is not cute and looks run down. That whole area need a facelift. In the meanwhile - students make do with it in exchange for a great education and career opportunities.

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UMD is Steely Dan

IU is shania Twain

LOL. IU isn't Shania Twain, it's Mellencamp. Literally.

https://www.idsnews.com/article/2023/03/john-mellencamp-iu-symposium-music-interview-career-song

He lives 5 miles from campus and also makes occasional surprise appearances at the Bluebird (a student nightclub).

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

sure, and these types are aholes, and they are dying off.

Regardless, if a woman (or man) can't handle advanced math, then they shouldn't be in a heavy math major, irrespective of their gender or skin color.

Someone mentioned how ridiculous it was that parents were shelling out so much money for tutors so that their kids can have high stats. These types of students would probably struggle in advanced math in college if they don't have tutors. Similarly, a student who was admitted for DEI purposes but who is not as strong in advanced math would also struggle.

Neither students are served by this type of admissions standards with respect to being able to handle the hard math classes.

Wrong on all counts. Aholes only die off if confronted, they burrowed in in the sciences quite well and could do it again. Tutoring doesn’t set anyone up for failure, it’s more a case of too much too soon. The mental maturity of a college student is much more suited to accelerating in math (like most fields).

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Son got Banneker Key offer to interview for scholarship but didn't bother going to interview because he got into his first choice school. UMD was really a safety for him. This was 4 years ago.