Didn’t want UMD

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I am glad you said it because that is cancellable talk in our current climate. One should NOT have to "move on" from their opinions that meritocracy no longer exists with respect to school admissions. Now I said it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

You are a professor of what and where?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

Even in the hard sciences there is ample room and need for different perspectives. Something as "basic" as multiplication has many approaches. All work. All worth understanding.

https://threesixty360.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/ethiopian-multiplication

This is a method known to have been used in Russia, Egypt, Ethiopia, etc. and according to the people discussing it here is exactly how math is done by computers.

So I agree with the professor.

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And certainly medicine suffered when it was ruled by white men alone.

Many of the posters here need to get out of the country club and realize the world is changing.

NO field should be walled off from social realities.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

Even in the hard sciences there is ample room and need for different perspectives. Something as "basic" as multiplication has many approaches. All work. All worth understanding.

https://threesixty360.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/ethiopian-multiplication

This is a method known to have been used in Russia, Egypt, Ethiopia, etc. and according to the people discussing it here is exactly how math is done by computers.

So I agree with the professor.

Math doesn't care how you get the answer. Just get the right answer and quickly. An Ethiopian can have a different way of doing the math, but they better get the right answer. They should still be able to score very high on the math SAT. Otherwise, what is the point of a different perspective in math if you cannot get the right answer? Will the rocket care that you had a different perspective on math if you can't get the answer correctly and quickly and the rocket blows up at launch?

Again, math doesn't care about your perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:And certainly medicine suffered when it was ruled by white men alone.

Many of the posters here need to get out of the country club and realize the world is changing.

NO field should be walled off from social realities.

that was due to racism and even prevented smart poc from going to medical school. That had nothing to do with "perspective" and DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:We went to MD Day once when the kids were much younger, and my DC had an immediate hate for the campus. By the time she was a senior, she still didn't want a big campus, and we were getting comparable COA at other schools. I went to my state flagship, and liked that campus and surrounding area better than College Park, but do have my regrets about the big school experience, so I wasn't pushing UMD either. DC is now about to graduate, and I think it was the right decision for her. She has plenty of friends graduating from UMD, and that's been fine, too. Only point is, at the time, it would have taken a lot of arm twisting to get DC to go to UMD, don't think she even wanted to do a tour for admitted students. But if she goes to grad school, I think she'd now be fine with it.

+1. Yeah. I understand. My daughter didn’t even consider that UMD ranked well in a couple of things she wants to study AND is good for jobs/ internship opportunities. The immediate response was “I don’t like it and I want to get away from here”. Not a good way to analyze the school.

Same she is going to a lower ranked school just to avoid UMD

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Anonymous wrote:And certainly medicine suffered when it was ruled by white men alone.

Many of the posters here need to get out of the country club and realize the world is changing.

NO field should be walled off from social realities.

What country club?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

This happens all the time. My kid is going to Utah. I've heard of kids going to Vermont, Cali schools, CU Boulder, Duke, UNC despite being accepted to UMd. Some kids just don't want to go the school that's on the same street as their elementary/middle/high school, even when it's as great and cheap as Maryland. If she's happy with where she's chosen, and you can make it happen without too much financial difficulty - then it's a win.

+1. Yes! Score!

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I think a lot of MCPS kids run to Pitt to get away from MD. VA kids too.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious. Tell me about your kid who got into UMD and just didn’t want to go because it is close to home. As much as I wanted my kid to go there, she wanted to get away. So she is going to Indiana. -sigh-

My kid could not get into UMD College Park because we live in Montgomery County. Because of this we have to pay 4 times more tuition. I have paid tons of Maryland taxes for 3 plus decades and no pay off with UMD. Disgraceful.

Plenty of kids get into UMD from MCPS--so that can't be the only reason!

Yes it can be the only reason!

My student is in the top 10% of his class at a top Montgomery County High School.
Montgomery County is allocated only a certain number of slots for UMD.
But for an "equitable" distribution among the counties, UMD would have 80% Montgomery County students. Frustrating for a student who did all the right things and made good choices.

My magnet kid got shut out at T15. 4.95 WGPA, 1580 SAT (perfect math score), all 5s on 9+ APs (I lost count), good e.c.s including top honors in a nationally recognized organization.

Why did they get shut out of T15 when kids in the same school got in with much lower stats? Because my DC's major is very competitive and the others are not, and the other has DEI that my kid doesn't.

There are many reasons why top performing kids don't get in.

I'm willing to bet there were kids at your MCPS HS who had lower stats who did get into UMD. Unfortunately, it's not just about test scores and stats. Major matters, too.

You only inserted "unfortunately" because that limited list of criteria would have favored your kid.

Schools get to curate the incoming class they want. Just like kids get to compose their own lists.

Great time for kids to learn to cope with the fact that we don't always have control over outcomes. And you move on...

yes, because DEI has nothing to do with achievement and academics. The color of your skin or what gender pronoun you feel like using that day should have no bearing on college admissions.

My kid can't help that they are heterosexual or born with a particular skin color. DC joked that they should say they are racially fluid because they are biracial, sometimes they feel like they are x race, and other times y race. That's how silly these DEI labels have become.

I disagree with you.

Classroom discussions/learning are greatly enhanced when people in the room bring different (versus one) perspective.

—Signed, a professor

Maybe in the easy majors. Not in the hard sciences

+1 math is math no matter what cultural lens you peer though.

Yes, yet I had math professors who stared off into a corner of the room when addressing women’s questions, but were suddenly animated talking to a group of men. You forget how recently people in these fields had the luxury of dealing with nothing but mini-me’s and were borderline hostile to anyone remotely different. If anything this changed more slowly in the sciences, even though by “science” the error should be obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand that, and my DC felt the same. However, DC is majoring in CS, plus merit, and with UMDCP being T20 for CS, it was a no brainer. If DC got into MIT or CMU, that would be a different story. But, the otherwise, the cost differential in cost for a CS major for OOS didn't make sense.

Whether it makes sense to go OOS and not UMD depends on the major and your finances.

DC majoring in CS is going not dispite all that you mentioned, going to an another big school lower ranked in CS, cost similar though after scholarships.
But the other school is large also, old buildings, old dorm (compare to UMD new honors dorm) but in a lovely city