Covid vax mandates over for Fed employees; time for all colleges to end them as well

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

This is so idiotic. I realize colleges have a right to make their own policies within the confines of the law. I want them to change those policies. Like when people want colleges to give preference to FGLI or ban legacies, no one says, you don’t like it, then go somewhere else! In a democracy people have opinions as to how things should work and sometimes share those opinions. So take your “liberty is still accepting students” bs and shove it up your ***. It’s really a stupid response. It’s like telling Rosa Parks, you don’t like the back of the bus, why don’t you just walk!

Very different situations. Science does indicate vaccines still work, just not as well as we would like. You have decided you don’t want to believe in science and want to fight it. Have friends who are epidemiologists and they all don’t understand the lack of scientific understanding in this country.

Very different than fighting discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

But not everyone actually gets Covid. Everyone that gets the vaccine, gets the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

Are you a hospital nurse or doctor? That's a lot of deaths to personally witness! From my understanding, very few children died of covid--and you actually watched several of them die. Wow.

Not only do I not know anyone who died of Covid, I don't even know anyone that had a particularly difficult time with it (beyond generally "bad flu" type symptoms.)

Well lucky for you. I personally know 2 healthy kids who died before vaccines. And several adults who came close (one being an unvaxed relative who had double pneumonia and nearly died). The fact you don’t know anyone does not mean people did not die. I know one of the first kids in nyc area to die in april 2020–very sad situation and difficult time. The fact you do not know anyone who died does not change this Fact

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

But not everyone actually gets Covid. Everyone that gets the vaccine, gets the vaccine.

People may not show symptoms of covid even while having the virus in their system, but that doesn't mean "they dont get covid" - that isn't a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The mandates violate medical ethics. College administrators with zero medical expertise are apparently legally allowed to make personal medical decisions, for young healthy students they've never met, in ways that one's personal physician cannot. But ethically? Nope.

Most colleges will end up shying away from the emergency use authorization of the current bivalent product, which does not have full FDA approval. However, that might take all summer.

Most college administrators aren't even aware that the old monovalent series is no longer available and that the current vaccine is only authorized for emergency use. This alone indicates that the decision is well outside their expertise.

The true problem is with FDA and CDC not demanding sufficient evidence. CDC director should have been fired for her failures, which include overbroad recommendations not supported by appropriate data.

Those administrators and their institution do have legal counsel and their counsel advises on liability and other issues. Are you saying you know more about the university's liability risks than they do?

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

This is so idiotic. I realize colleges have a right to make their own policies within the confines of the law. I want them to change those policies. Like when people want colleges to give preference to FGLI or ban legacies, no one says, you don’t like it, then go somewhere else! In a democracy people have opinions as to how things should work and sometimes share those opinions. So take your “liberty is still accepting students” bs and shove it up your ***. It’s really a stupid response. It’s like telling Rosa Parks, you don’t like the back of the bus, why don’t you just walk!

Guess what, you don't have that power, nor are you entitled to it.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

As they should be. Many smart people don’t think the risk/reward on boosters makes sense from the standpoint of a healthy physically fit young male (especially ones who have been infected with Covid already). Everyone should respect that.

While "many" smart people share this opinion, MOST smart people, including the scientists and medical practitioners, wholly disagree with your OPINION.

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Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.

Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.

Ignorance on display.

The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.

What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.

And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."

While the Covid vax may reduce severity of the disease, just as not being obese would, what right does a college have to mandate this injection to protect the young person from a severe outcome (when it is so exceedingly rare for healthy young people to have bad outcomes)? There are also bad outcomes associated with the injection. As you point out, this is not about protecting the community but about protecting the individual. Therefore the college has no legitimate right to force this on the student- it should be up to the student in consultation with his family and physician.

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Nope, not exactly at all. The university can accept whomever it wants. If a potential student is t selfish or ignorant to want to be on campus unvaccinated, the university has the right to bar their admission.

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

Are you a hospital nurse or doctor? That's a lot of deaths to personally witness! From my understanding, very few children died of covid--and you actually watched several of them die. Wow.

Not only do I not know anyone who died of Covid, I don't even know anyone that had a particularly difficult time with it (beyond generally "bad flu" type symptoms.)

Well lucky for you. I personally know 2 healthy kids who died before vaccines. And several adults who came close (one being an unvaxed relative who had double pneumonia and nearly died). The fact you don’t know anyone does not mean people did not die. I know one of the first kids in nyc area to die in april 2020–very sad situation and difficult time. The fact you do not know anyone who died does not change this Fact

You must be surrounded by very unhealthy, or unlucky, people if you know so many kids who died from covid. Of the 1.1 million or so deaths from covid, about 1,600 were people under the age of 18.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

But not everyone actually gets Covid. Everyone that gets the vaccine, gets the vaccine.

People may not show symptoms of covid even while having the virus in their system, but that doesn't mean "they dont get covid" - that isn't a thing.

You're saying that every single person on earth has had Covid? You're the same person that "personally witnessed" several children dying from Covid, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

Are you a hospital nurse or doctor? That's a lot of deaths to personally witness! From my understanding, very few children died of covid--and you actually watched several of them die. Wow.

Not only do I not know anyone who died of Covid, I don't even know anyone that had a particularly difficult time with it (beyond generally "bad flu" type symptoms.)

Well lucky for you. I personally know 2 healthy kids who died before vaccines. And several adults who came close (one being an unvaxed relative who had double pneumonia and nearly died). The fact you don’t know anyone does not mean people did not die. I know one of the first kids in nyc area to die in april 2020–very sad situation and difficult time. The fact you do not know anyone who died does not change this Fact

You must be surrounded by very unhealthy, or unlucky, people if you know so many kids who died from covid. Of the 1.1 million or so deaths from covid, about 1,600 were people under the age of 18.

Oh, the pp doesn't just know the kids--she actually "witnessed" them dying!

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

Not for young males after their second dose. For them, the incidence of vaccine-related myocarditis is higher than the incidence of post-covid myocarditis, which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
"Associations were stronger in men younger than 40 years for all vaccines. In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18])."

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

This is so idiotic. I realize colleges have a right to make their own policies within the confines of the law. I want them to change those policies. Like when people want colleges to give preference to FGLI or ban legacies, no one says, you don’t like it, then go somewhere else! In a democracy people have opinions as to how things should work and sometimes share those opinions. So take your “liberty is still accepting students” bs and shove it up your ***. It’s really a stupid response. It’s like telling Rosa Parks, you don’t like the back of the bus, why don’t you just walk!

Guess what, you don't have that power, nor are you entitled to it.

Again, I am advocating for a policy change (that half the Ivy League has already announced). I don’t control what particular schools do but I can promote the position I think they should take. The more people push back on mandates, the sooner they will go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

The risk of myocarditis from getting covid is much higher than from getting the vaccine.

Not for young males after their second dose. For them, the incidence of vaccine-related myocarditis is higher than the incidence of post-covid myocarditis, which is why much of Europe no longer vaccinates youth.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35993236/
"Associations were stronger in men younger than 40 years for all vaccines. In men younger than 40 years old, the number of excess myocarditis events per million people was higher after a second dose of mRNA-1273 than after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (97 [95% CI, 91–99] versus 16 [95% CI, 12–18])."

Everyone should let this sink in. In Europe they don’t even ALLOW kids to be vaccinated due to the risks. In the US, in some cases we are REQUIRING 17-22 year olds (college age kids) to be vaccinated. Crazy.