The Witch Trials of JK Rowling podcast

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

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"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

Feminists aren’t relentlessly attacking transgender people. They are advocating for biological women and being attacked and threatened for it. By transwomen.

Certainly not all feminists. The feminists who are called TERFs do relentlessly attack transgender people. You know, the gender critical types.

No one is attacking them. We just said that we have our own needs and are threatened with rape in response. And when we argue against that, we are labeled TERF.

BS. It happens regularly on DCUM threads related to transgenderism.

Citation?

Again, just because you want to attack us doesn’t mean we are attacking trans people. We are just standing up for ourselves and women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

One person used delusional, so now we are all “trashing transgender people.” But you aren’t painting us all with a broad brush. Right.

We all know what goes down on these threads. Transgender people are relentlessly trashed. That's why they always get deleted.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

This is exactly how the public gaslit JKR, who actually doesn't hate trans people.

As long as they don't expect any rights, JKR will allow trans people to exist. What else could anyone want (besides rights)?

What rights is Rowling trying to take away from trans people?

She thinks there should be some parameters around accessing public bathrooms and being kept in prison with someone of the opposite biological gender. She is generally fine with trans women accessing bathrooms but would like some parameters to prevent men who aren't trans from entering.

So convicted rapists who self-ID as women now have inalienable rights to be housed in women’s prisons?

Yes, in Scotland. And she is concerned because in some cases, male rapists have identified as female after the arrest and demanded to be housed in a women's prison, where they raped female prisoners. She feels that this is not an acceptable approach.

It should be 100% obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that it’s unacceptable, yet here we are.

I thought so, but the podcast was illuminating about why the trans community is upset about this. They feel that their gender identities are often complicated and don't conform to expectations, and they don't want to leave it to other people to interpret which bathroom or prison is correct for them. They believe people can only reliably determine their sex for themselves, so observable traits like penises are not reliable determinants for things like bathrooms and prisons.

I don’t understand why any of that trumps women’s rights to safety and bodily autonomy.

I wasn't persuaded by it. I think that women are a vulnerable population and that they deserve some protection based on the weaknesses inherent to their biology. But, I previously didn't understand why trans people were upset about any of this, and now it makes sense to me. They think that the risk to women is acceptable when weighed against the risk of not having their gender identity validated by society.

If transwomen want their gender identity validated by society, doesn’t that mean somehow winning the approval of half of society, which is … biological women? How is alienating and turning against half of society a winning strategy to gain general acceptance? Or do transwomen only want to be validated by biological men?

Transgender women are only "alienating" anti-trans women. The rest of us are fine and support all women.

Here’s the thing. Women claiming that they are women isn’t anti-trans. It’s pro-women. And I’m as liberal as they come, but biology is real. There are actual differences between transwomen and women, even those who medically transition. It’s stupid to pretend that there aren’t. It has nothing to do with accepting anyone’s gender identity. But transwomen are taking up all the air in the room when AFAB women need to focus on regaining our rapidly diminishing rights.

You can claim you are a woman. That hasn't changed.

The Republicans are pushing this as a wedge issue - that is why the topic is taking up all of the air in the room.

Oh, it’s you again! The “taking up all of the air in the room” poster. It’s not republicans taking up all of the air in the room. It’s the trans activists who insist on ideological purity or they freak out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

Feminists aren’t relentlessly attacking transgender people. They are advocating for biological women and being attacked and threatened for it. By transwomen.

Certainly not all feminists. The feminists who are called TERFs do relentlessly attack transgender people. You know, the gender critical types.

No one is attacking them. We just said that we have our own needs and are threatened with rape in response. And when we argue against that, we are labeled TERF.

BS. It happens regularly on DCUM threads related to transgenderism.

Citation?

Again, just because you want to attack us doesn’t mean we are attacking trans people. We are just standing up for ourselves and women.

Ask Jeff how many anti-trans threads get deleted per week. I don't keep track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

One person used delusional, so now we are all “trashing transgender people.” But you aren’t painting us all with a broad brush. Right.

We all know what goes down on these threads. Transgender people are relentlessly trashed. That's why they always get deleted.

Nope. They don’t get relentlessly trashed. But I bet you are already reporting half of these posts to Jeff in hopes he does just that. You cannot handle a nuanced discussion on this at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

This is exactly how the public gaslit JKR, who actually doesn't hate trans people.

As long as they don't expect any rights, JKR will allow trans people to exist. What else could anyone want (besides rights)?

What rights is Rowling trying to take away from trans people?

She thinks there should be some parameters around accessing public bathrooms and being kept in prison with someone of the opposite biological gender. She is generally fine with trans women accessing bathrooms but would like some parameters to prevent men who aren't trans from entering.

So convicted rapists who self-ID as women now have inalienable rights to be housed in women’s prisons?

Yes, in Scotland. And she is concerned because in some cases, male rapists have identified as female after the arrest and demanded to be housed in a women's prison, where they raped female prisoners. She feels that this is not an acceptable approach.

It should be 100% obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that it’s unacceptable, yet here we are.

I thought so, but the podcast was illuminating about why the trans community is upset about this. They feel that their gender identities are often complicated and don't conform to expectations, and they don't want to leave it to other people to interpret which bathroom or prison is correct for them. They believe people can only reliably determine their sex for themselves, so observable traits like penises are not reliable determinants for things like bathrooms and prisons.

I don’t understand why any of that trumps women’s rights to safety and bodily autonomy.

I wasn't persuaded by it. I think that women are a vulnerable population and that they deserve some protection based on the weaknesses inherent to their biology. But, I previously didn't understand why trans people were upset about any of this, and now it makes sense to me. They think that the risk to women is acceptable when weighed against the risk of not having their gender identity validated by society.

If transwomen want their gender identity validated by society, doesn’t that mean somehow winning the approval of half of society, which is … biological women? How is alienating and turning against half of society a winning strategy to gain general acceptance? Or do transwomen only want to be validated by biological men?

Transgender women are only "alienating" anti-trans women. The rest of us are fine and support all women.

Here’s the thing. Women claiming that they are women isn’t anti-trans. It’s pro-women. And I’m as liberal as they come, but biology is real. There are actual differences between transwomen and women, even those who medically transition. It’s stupid to pretend that there aren’t. It has nothing to do with accepting anyone’s gender identity. But transwomen are taking up all the air in the room when AFAB women need to focus on regaining our rapidly diminishing rights.

You can claim you are a woman. That hasn't changed.

The Republicans are pushing this as a wedge issue - that is why the topic is taking up all of the air in the room.

Oh, it’s you again! The “taking up all of the air in the room” poster. It’s not republicans taking up all of the air in the room. It’s the trans activists who insist on ideological purity or they freak out.

I don't think I've used that expression before. I just used it because the PP before me used it. Scroll up.

Republicans are absolutely pushing this as a wedge issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

One person used delusional, so now we are all “trashing transgender people.” But you aren’t painting us all with a broad brush. Right.

We all know what goes down on these threads. Transgender people are relentlessly trashed. That's why they always get deleted.

Nope. They don’t get relentlessly trashed. But I bet you are already reporting half of these posts to Jeff in hopes he does just that. You cannot handle a nuanced discussion on this at all.

If you don't believe me, ask Jeff.

I haven't reported a post yet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

This is exactly how the public gaslit JKR, who actually doesn't hate trans people.

As long as they don't expect any rights, JKR will allow trans people to exist. What else could anyone want (besides rights)?

What rights is Rowling trying to take away from trans people?

She thinks there should be some parameters around accessing public bathrooms and being kept in prison with someone of the opposite biological gender. She is generally fine with trans women accessing bathrooms but would like some parameters to prevent men who aren't trans from entering.

So convicted rapists who self-ID as women now have inalienable rights to be housed in women’s prisons?

Yes, in Scotland. And she is concerned because in some cases, male rapists have identified as female after the arrest and demanded to be housed in a women's prison, where they raped female prisoners. She feels that this is not an acceptable approach.

It should be 100% obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that it’s unacceptable, yet here we are.

I thought so, but the podcast was illuminating about why the trans community is upset about this. They feel that their gender identities are often complicated and don't conform to expectations, and they don't want to leave it to other people to interpret which bathroom or prison is correct for them. They believe people can only reliably determine their sex for themselves, so observable traits like penises are not reliable determinants for things like bathrooms and prisons.

I don’t understand why any of that trumps women’s rights to safety and bodily autonomy.

I wasn't persuaded by it. I think that women are a vulnerable population and that they deserve some protection based on the weaknesses inherent to their biology. But, I previously didn't understand why trans people were upset about any of this, and now it makes sense to me. They think that the risk to women is acceptable when weighed against the risk of not having their gender identity validated by society.

If transwomen want their gender identity validated by society, doesn’t that mean somehow winning the approval of half of society, which is … biological women? How is alienating and turning against half of society a winning strategy to gain general acceptance? Or do transwomen only want to be validated by biological men?

Transgender women are only "alienating" anti-trans women. The rest of us are fine and support all women.

Here’s the thing. Women claiming that they are women isn’t anti-trans. It’s pro-women. And I’m as liberal as they come, but biology is real. There are actual differences between transwomen and women, even those who medically transition. It’s stupid to pretend that there aren’t. It has nothing to do with accepting anyone’s gender identity. But transwomen are taking up all the air in the room when AFAB women need to focus on regaining our rapidly diminishing rights.

You can claim you are a woman. That hasn't changed.

The Republicans are pushing this as a wedge issue - that is why the topic is taking up all of the air in the room.

Oh, it’s you again! The “taking up all of the air in the room” poster. It’s not republicans taking up all of the air in the room. It’s the trans activists who insist on ideological purity or they freak out.

I don't think I've used that expression before. I just used it because the PP before me used it. Scroll up.

Republicans are absolutely pushing this as a wedge issue.

And I can counter with just as much activists that trans activists are pushing this as an ideological purity test. See how that works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

This is exactly how the public gaslit JKR, who actually doesn't hate trans people.

As long as they don't expect any rights, JKR will allow trans people to exist. What else could anyone want (besides rights)?

What rights is Rowling trying to take away from trans people?

She thinks there should be some parameters around accessing public bathrooms and being kept in prison with someone of the opposite biological gender. She is generally fine with trans women accessing bathrooms but would like some parameters to prevent men who aren't trans from entering.

So convicted rapists who self-ID as women now have inalienable rights to be housed in women’s prisons?

Yes, in Scotland. And she is concerned because in some cases, male rapists have identified as female after the arrest and demanded to be housed in a women's prison, where they raped female prisoners. She feels that this is not an acceptable approach.

It should be 100% obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that it’s unacceptable, yet here we are.

I thought so, but the podcast was illuminating about why the trans community is upset about this. They feel that their gender identities are often complicated and don't conform to expectations, and they don't want to leave it to other people to interpret which bathroom or prison is correct for them. They believe people can only reliably determine their sex for themselves, so observable traits like penises are not reliable determinants for things like bathrooms and prisons.

I don’t understand why any of that trumps women’s rights to safety and bodily autonomy.

I wasn't persuaded by it. I think that women are a vulnerable population and that they deserve some protection based on the weaknesses inherent to their biology. But, I previously didn't understand why trans people were upset about any of this, and now it makes sense to me. They think that the risk to women is acceptable when weighed against the risk of not having their gender identity validated by society.

If transwomen want their gender identity validated by society, doesn’t that mean somehow winning the approval of half of society, which is … biological women? How is alienating and turning against half of society a winning strategy to gain general acceptance? Or do transwomen only want to be validated by biological men?

Transgender women are only "alienating" anti-trans women. The rest of us are fine and support all women.

Here’s the thing. Women claiming that they are women isn’t anti-trans. It’s pro-women. And I’m as liberal as they come, but biology is real. There are actual differences between transwomen and women, even those who medically transition. It’s stupid to pretend that there aren’t. It has nothing to do with accepting anyone’s gender identity. But transwomen are taking up all the air in the room when AFAB women need to focus on regaining our rapidly diminishing rights.

You can claim you are a woman. That hasn't changed.

The Republicans are pushing this as a wedge issue - that is why the topic is taking up all of the air in the room.

Oh, it’s you again! The “taking up all of the air in the room” poster. It’s not republicans taking up all of the air in the room. It’s the trans activists who insist on ideological purity or they freak out.

Like...dude, just because a phrase gets repeated, it doesn't mean the same person is posting everywhere. WTF? We all share the English language. What is it with this thread? "Oh, it's YOU who keeps posting the same thing!" No.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

This is exactly how the public gaslit JKR, who actually doesn't hate trans people.

As long as they don't expect any rights, JKR will allow trans people to exist. What else could anyone want (besides rights)?

What rights is Rowling trying to take away from trans people?

She thinks there should be some parameters around accessing public bathrooms and being kept in prison with someone of the opposite biological gender. She is generally fine with trans women accessing bathrooms but would like some parameters to prevent men who aren't trans from entering.

So convicted rapists who self-ID as women now have inalienable rights to be housed in women’s prisons?

Yes, in Scotland. And she is concerned because in some cases, male rapists have identified as female after the arrest and demanded to be housed in a women's prison, where they raped female prisoners. She feels that this is not an acceptable approach.

It should be 100% obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that it’s unacceptable, yet here we are.

I thought so, but the podcast was illuminating about why the trans community is upset about this. They feel that their gender identities are often complicated and don't conform to expectations, and they don't want to leave it to other people to interpret which bathroom or prison is correct for them. They believe people can only reliably determine their sex for themselves, so observable traits like penises are not reliable determinants for things like bathrooms and prisons.

I don’t understand why any of that trumps women’s rights to safety and bodily autonomy.

I wasn't persuaded by it. I think that women are a vulnerable population and that they deserve some protection based on the weaknesses inherent to their biology. But, I previously didn't understand why trans people were upset about any of this, and now it makes sense to me. They think that the risk to women is acceptable when weighed against the risk of not having their gender identity validated by society.

If transwomen want their gender identity validated by society, doesn’t that mean somehow winning the approval of half of society, which is … biological women? How is alienating and turning against half of society a winning strategy to gain general acceptance? Or do transwomen only want to be validated by biological men?

Transgender women are only "alienating" anti-trans women. The rest of us are fine and support all women.

NP. Keep telling yourself that. I guess you’re pro-rape-threats?

Those two things are unrelated so logic fail.

I'm anti-rape-threats and anti-trans-haters.

No, sorry, you’re pro-rape-threats. I said it, so it’s true. Why do you hate women?

Not much of a discussion here if you're going to be irrational and hysterical.

Ha. I would wonder if there were a glimmer of self-awareness in your response, but I know you’re not really capable of that.

As soon as you're ready to have a rational discussion, let me know.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

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"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

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Anonymous wrote:This is one of the best podcasts that I’ve listened to recently. I had always been somewhat confused about what Rowling’s position exactly was on trans rights and this podcast does a good job of explaining it all. It definitely does well at providing a balanced and rational discussion about this hard and controversial topic.

Can't wait to listen to it; thanks for the tip, OP.