The Witch Trials of JK Rowling podcast

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

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"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

Misgendering. More trashing.

Non-binary isn't a real thing.

I have neither M or F on my driver's license. Legally I am neither gender. You don't want to respect my identity, for some reason, and I can't control what you do but just because you want to deny my existence doesn't mean that I'm going to live my life differently.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I’m one of the “TERFs” posting on here. Your children’s safety isn’t at risk from non-binary and trans people nearly as much as it is from most men.

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Not "lots" of people.

I've literally never heard someone say that "trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women."

What does "trans women are women" mean to you?

It means be inclusive and respectful. It doesn't mean I think they had a vagina at birth or had the same exact experience as me.

Cis-gender woman can have a wide range of experiences themselves. It's not hard to widen the tent.

So can women have separate prisons that exclude people with penises?

No, because transwomen are women.

So we are back to square one, where transactivists claim there is no biological difference between transwomen and women. After people on this thread claimed that wasn’t what transwomen are women means.

Again, literally no one said that. You are pulling that out of your a$$.

Okay. So you agree they are not the same.

Literally zero people have said they are the exact same thing.

Again, you agree that transwomen are not identical to women. Maybe you and others in this thread mean to say “transwomen are women but some exclusions apply. However, if you think that’s not what trans activists are saying you aren’t paying attention.

I say transwomen are women because it's inclusive. We all have our own unique qualities and experiences. It's a big tent.

It’s a big tent. But it doesn’t include penises.

Why are you being exclusionary? It doesn't affect you.

How does it not affect me? Do I not have women only spaces where I interact with other women? Sure, I’m not in prison. But I have a gym membership. I go to spas. I have different priorities than people with penises when I advocate for women’s healthcare at work. So I have an interest in this. Almost all women do.

So if you briefly saw a penis at a spa is that really any different than briefly seeing a vulva? Parts is parts.

Any how many penises are you even seeing in your everyday life? Seems like an unfounded "concern".

DP. This is rape language. You're proving the need for single-sex spaces.

I don't want to see any male genitalia that is not attached to my DH, personally, and especially when I'm relaxing at a spa or showering after a workout. It is my right to have such a boundary and it is rapey AF for you to judge this as an "unfounded concern".

"Rape language"? WTF?

So you are just hanging ? Creepy.

Oh look, rape language AND a lack of accountability! Here's how they do it folks. First, try to invade someone's space and gaslight their concerns. Then when someone sets a boundary, you not only shame the for it and question it, then you try to project your rape language back onto them! (whipping out the completely unsupported accusation of "hanging out in a locker room and looking at women's vulvas". It sounds like something you want to get away with, but we didn't let you, so you have to project your creepiness too.)

Thank you for providing us with a live example, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That is precisely what we are saying to you. You don't care about our safety concerns, so we are well within our rights and responsibilities to push the point legally and politically. This isn't something that you will wake up and say, "I guess a population in which 25% of people have been sexually assaulted might be hypervigilant and also have legitimate concerns." You are focused on your comfort, and you are not attacked for that. We are focused on our comfort and safety and would like to not be attacked for that as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That is precisely what we are saying to you. You don't care about our safety concerns, so we are well within our rights and responsibilities to push the point legally and politically. This isn't something that you will wake up and say, "I guess a population in which 25% of people have been sexually assaulted might be hypervigilant and also have legitimate concerns." You are focused on your comfort, and you are not attacked for that. We are focused on our comfort and safety and would like to not be attacked for that as well.

I haven't attacked you. I will continue to use the restroom/locker room that I feel is safest. I hope you will do the same.

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"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That doesn't make you a protected class. We are a historically protected class because unlike you, we don't get to hide our breasts and hips when we feel like not getting raped.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That is precisely what we are saying to you. You don't care about our safety concerns, so we are well within our rights and responsibilities to push the point legally and politically. This isn't something that you will wake up and say, "I guess a population in which 25% of people have been sexually assaulted might be hypervigilant and also have legitimate concerns." You are focused on your comfort, and you are not attacked for that. We are focused on our comfort and safety and would like to not be attacked for that as well.

I haven't attacked you. I will continue to use the restroom/locker room that I feel is safest. I hope you will do the same.

It's an attack when women are labeled bigots for voicing these safety concerns. You have not attacked me, I am not saying that. I'm saying that women are being attacked and threatened for saying they have safety concerns. But, you have safety concerns. Trans people are also a vulnerable population with high rates of sex abuse from men. So surely you can understand the feeling and the need to defend yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked the podcast.

I am the mother of a trans teen and I was curious as to what the whole deal was with JKR since I am not on twitter and (gasp) have never read Harry Potter.

I didn't find that she was transphobic exactly, but that she was provocative in her tweets. Probably due to her trauma.

I do find it interesting that some trans activists have gone death con 3 on JKR, while they do nothing about the right-wing politicians who are actually threatening the existence of the trans community.

I mean they threaten to rape and kill her -- what about Marjorie Taylor Green? Or DeSantis? It's odd.

How are the right-wing politicians threatening the existence of the trans community? Genuine question…

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+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That doesn't make you a protected class. We are a historically protected class because unlike you, we don't get to hide our breasts and hips when we feel like not getting raped.

Are you okay? You’re not making much sense. If we both have breasts and hips, why do I get to hide mine to avoid rape but you don’t?

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Agreed. Which is why I say the whole trans movement is rooted in sexier stereotypes. What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “think like a man”?

This isn't my experience at all. Most transgender people I know are very fluid and exist in the middle of the spectrum, not at the extreme ends. Look at how many gender-neutral people there are. They are anti-stereotypes.

Actually they are not. They feel some sort of otherness, and decide that it means they are not sufficiently male or female enough. Why can’t they just be?

NB person here. I am just being. I don’t identify with womanhood or manhood. Neither feels right to me, so I am neither. Why do you have a problem with that?

No one has a problem with it, but you're not welcome in spaces where women are vulnerable and/or naked if you have a penis.

It's not about how you feel inside.

I use the changing room and bathroom that I know have the best chance of being safe in on any given day. Yes, I prioritize my safety over anyone's discomfort of suspecting I might have a penis.

Oh, so you're a guy. Lead with that next time.

Frankly, I have a 13 year old daughter and a 9 year old daughter and I would NOT be comfortable letting a "Non Binary" man into the same bathroom they're using because he felt genderfluid that day or whatever. I have to play Russian roulette with my family's safety because you are going to switch up bathrooms and changing rooms based on how you feel that day?

I haven't revealed what genitalia I have, if that's what you're wondering. By looking at me you wouldn't be able to tell. You have to do what you have to do to prioritize your safety and your family's and I have to do what I have to do to prioritize mine. Depending on the location, demographics of the crowd, and how I might be presenting that day, that might be the men's room or the women's room or the unisex/gender neutral room. I'm not going to be ashamed for not wanting to be harassed or attacked.

I've been responding to you. I work out with an enbie. They are fine. But, in my gym, everyone has access to both locker rooms. And I'm relieved they don't choose the female one. I'm alone, there is no attendant, and no security. I suspect they are actually biologically female but I just don't know, and part of being a woman is being under constant threat.

You can't help how you feel. I fully respect everyone's decision to remove themselves from situations that make them feel unsafe. What I am not okay with, and I have experienced, is people demanding I leave a space because they can't tell what is between my legs.

I can't help how you feel. And what I'm not okay with, is people demanding access to vulnerable women's spaces because women are usually the targets of sexual violence. Since you don't care how I feel, you can surely understand my need to push the point.

You can push whatever point you want. It doesn't effect me. I'm just living my life and I am not hurting anyone.

That doesn't make you a protected class. We are a historically protected class because unlike you, we don't get to hide our breasts and hips when we feel like not getting raped.

Are you okay? You’re not making much sense. If we both have breasts and hips, why do I get to hide mine to avoid rape but you don’t?

She means she's a woman and you're not.

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Anonymous wrote:This feels like the same person posting over and over, trying to convince us that it's ok to dislike trans people.

+1

"delusional"
"something men didn’t like"
women's prison!
and other faux hysterics

Standard RWNJ/TURF talking points.

If the trans “debate” isn’t misogynistic, why do people use TERF but without any equivalent term for men? Why do we say “trans women are women” 10x more frequently than we say trans men are men? Why do non-medically transitioned trans women demand to be in women only spaces (ie women’s prisons) while the trans men don’t? Why do trans women threaten to rape women but trans men don’t?

How many men are on DCUM and trashing transgender people 24x7? I mostly see hostile women - many older and/or lesbians.

If men were relentlessly attacking transgender people we could come up with a name for them. TERM?

This has nothing to do with DCUM because the word "TERF" wasn't invented on this forum, nor was it invented for this forum. (Nor do I see women here "trashing" transgender people but that's a separate issue.) Women don't do anything to transgender people except to ask them to respect our spaces. Men, on the other hand, are responsible 99% of the time for beating up, raping and/or killing transgender people.

Yet we get called TERF? For simply not feeling comfortable with OUR hard-won rights and safe spaces being appropriated or eroded? It's the absolute height of sexism.

I'm explaining why I use the term TERF. Because I'm addressing women. I will start using TERM when I start coming across anti-trans men.

Women are absolutely trashing transgender people. Regularly on DCUM. On this thread, we have "delusional" for starters.

DP, but it is delusional to say that trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women. That being born with a penis and raised as a boy is exactly the same as being born with a vaginas and raised as a girl. If this were true, transgenderism wouldn't exist because your sex wouldn't be a notable characteristic. But it does matter- it is a core and defining characteristic, which is the exact reason this issue generates controversy.

Who says that? I've never heard anyone on DCUM say that.

Lots and lots of people say that. If you say that trans women are a distinct category that are in any way separate from biological women, that is considered transphobic.

Not "lots" of people.

I've literally never heard someone say that "trans women are in every way, both biologically and experientially, exactly and in all ways the same as biological women."

What does "trans women are women" mean to you?

It means be inclusive and respectful. It doesn't mean I think they had a vagina at birth or had the same exact experience as me.

Cis-gender woman can have a wide range of experiences themselves. It's not hard to widen the tent.

So can women have separate prisons that exclude people with penises?

No, because transwomen are women.

So we are back to square one, where transactivists claim there is no biological difference between transwomen and women. After people on this thread claimed that wasn’t what transwomen are women means.

Again, literally no one said that. You are pulling that out of your a$$.

Okay. So you agree they are not the same.

Literally zero people have said they are the exact same thing.

Again, you agree that transwomen are not identical to women. Maybe you and others in this thread mean to say “transwomen are women but some exclusions apply. However, if you think that’s not what trans activists are saying you aren’t paying attention.

I say transwomen are women because it's inclusive. We all have our own unique qualities and experiences. It's a big tent.

It’s a big tent. But it doesn’t include penises.

Why are you being exclusionary? It doesn't affect you.

How does it not affect me? Do I not have women only spaces where I interact with other women? Sure, I’m not in prison. But I have a gym membership. I go to spas. I have different priorities than people with penises when I advocate for women’s healthcare at work. So I have an interest in this. Almost all women do.

So if you briefly saw a penis at a spa is that really any different than briefly seeing a vulva? Parts is parts.

Any how many penises are you even seeing in your everyday life? Seems like an unfounded "concern".

DP. This is rape language. You're proving the need for single-sex spaces.

I don't want to see any male genitalia that is not attached to my DH, personally, and especially when I'm relaxing at a spa or showering after a workout. It is my right to have such a boundary and it is rapey AF for you to judge this as an "unfounded concern".

"Rape language"? WTF?

So you are just hanging ? Creepy.

Oh look, rape language AND a lack of accountability! Here's how they do it folks. First, try to invade someone's space and gaslight their concerns. Then when someone sets a boundary, you not only shame the for it and question it, then you try to project your rape language back onto them! (whipping out the completely unsupported accusation of "hanging out in a locker room and looking at women's vulvas". It sounds like something you want to get away with, but we didn't let you, so you have to project your creepiness too.)

Thank you for providing us with a live example, PP.

NP. As always in these threads, the trans activists end up betraying that they are incels whose goal is the subjugation of women and destruction of women’s bodily autonomy. They always tell on themselves, eventually.

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These threads always start out with posters claiming the best of intentions but always turn into arguments about the very legitimacy of transgender people. On this page itself, there is a poster stating that "Non-binary isn't a real thing.". I'm not sure what that has to do with the podcast that is supposed to be the subject of this thread. For that matter, I am not sure of the relevance of many pages of posts in this thread.

You are welcome to blame me for threads like this being locked or deleted, but you would be more accurate to blame those who can't control their anti-trans impulses.