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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

One just said to me yesterday that he liked a few sweet sixteen teams because "they have a lot of white guys". Conservative Trumper. Just said that as if it was the most normal comment in the world. Clueless. And as tribal as could be

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

One just said to me yesterday that he liked a few sweet sixteen teams because "they have a lot of white guys". Conservative Trumper. Just said that as if it was the most normal comment in the world. Clueless. And as tribal as could be

Well, we live in a world now where the achievements of everyone but cisgendered heterosexual white males are celebrated, often just because they belong to a group that is not cisgendered heterosexual white male. So you can imagine resentment can build.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

One just said to me yesterday that he liked a few sweet sixteen teams because "they have a lot of white guys". Conservative Trumper. Just said that as if it was the most normal comment in the world. Clueless. And as tribal as could be

Well, we live in a world now where the achievements of everyone but cisgendered heterosexual white males are celebrated, often just because they belong to a group that is not cisgendered heterosexual white male. So you can imagine resentment can build.

He didn't mention anything about cisgendered. He just kept it to straight up racist comments about not liking teams with too many black players. Did not mention a single word about the talent on display at the sport either

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

One just said to me yesterday that he liked a few sweet sixteen teams because "they have a lot of white guys". Conservative Trumper. Just said that as if it was the most normal comment in the world. Clueless. And as tribal as could be

Well, we live in a world now where the achievements of everyone but cisgendered heterosexual white males are celebrated, often just because they belong to a group that is not cisgendered heterosexual white male. So you can imagine resentment can build.

He didn't mention anything about cisgendered. He just kept it to straight up racist comments about not liking teams with too many black players. Did not mention a single word about the talent on display at the sport either

Nothing about heterosexual players either now that I think about it. Good old tribal Florida racism. Yea trump!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.

See, this is typical. You completely distorted an opposing viewpoint to present it as unacceptable and outside the realm of legitimate speech. Here is exactly what I said:

Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

At no point did I say or logically imply the idea of conflicting viewpoints “about gays” or homosexuality, and there is no possible way anyone could reasonably infer that. Indeed, I meant it was a safe space free of conflicting viewpoints across a wide range of subjects.

But thanks for proving my point and exemplifying the malicious and intellectually dishonest attitude of radical progressives.

I am not proving your point. Your post spoke of Vassar being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people, not mine. But you don't explain what conflicting viewpoints you are talking about

If what you are saying is that the idea that being gay is a mental disorder is a "conflicting viewpoint" than yes...I say bullcrap. Call a spade a spade. Calling gay people mental patients is not a "conflicting viewpoint"....it is an ugly negative slur.at Vassar and everywhere else. Don't treat us like idiots.

Do I need to explain this again? I literally wrote this: "Vassar is a sort of a 'sanctuary school' for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints."

There is nothing in that statement that can remotely be interpreted as me speaking of Vassar as "being free from conflicting viewpoints about gay people."

You are deliberately distorting my comments and then calling upon me to defend assertions I did not make.

Ok. Just spell it out. You mention gays. What are the conflicting viewpoints that gays are free of at Vassar? Please tell me directly so there is no confusion.

These viewpoints don't necessarily have to do with sexuality or gender. The viewpoints I speak of would be those that conflict with orthodox progressive thinking. I gave opinions on equity as an example. I would add to that opinions about gender fluidity. Perhaps abortion. Honestly, anything.

You think gay people all have the same opinion about abortion and gender fluidity and equity? Why do you think that?

Of course I don't. There are so many gay conservatives out there. More attention should be paid to them. Same goes for conservative blacks. But the gays who attend Vassar probably tend to, as all student who attend Vassar (and similar schools) tend to share the same opinions. Hence the idea that it is a woke madrasa. (It also happens to be a haven for homosexuals, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Ok. Gay progressives...Vassar yes. Gay conservatives...Vassar no. Gay conservatives need to find the haven for conservative homosexuals which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Except conservatives, ironically, believe in actual diversity. They don't buy into identity politics where members of various so called marginalized identity groups huddle together and whine about their oppression. Conservatives like to mix it up and don't think people should be sorted by skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Conservatives are more individualistic, protecting the sovereignty of the individual is really the essence of American conservatism, our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, whereas progressives are all about tribal affiliation and appeals to big government to protect them.

Blah blah blah. I am posting from Florida. Not sure you have met out conservatives.

One just said to me yesterday that he liked a few sweet sixteen teams because "they have a lot of white guys". Conservative Trumper. Just said that as if it was the most normal comment in the world. Clueless. And as tribal as could be

Well, we live in a world now where the achievements of everyone but cisgendered heterosexual white males are celebrated, often just because they belong to a group that is not cisgendered heterosexual white male. So you can imagine resentment can build.

He didn't mention anything about cisgendered. He just kept it to straight up racist comments about not liking teams with too many black players. Did not mention a single word about the talent on display at the sport either

There are still racists out there. But progressivism doesn’t even condemn its own anti-white racism. Progressivism basically is anti-white racism