Child wants to transfer to Vassar-advice?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

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So… any advice about transferring?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, there are a lot of gay/bi men there. It’s a former woman’s college. I would investigate with actual students. Nothing wrong with this but it’s going to be different. I get avoiding frat bro scene but this is maximum other direction. Hard pressed to imagine a gayer college (other than perhaps an art school)

My son is straight and loved Vassar. I think you might be a bit homophobic?

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, there are a lot of gay/bi men there. It’s a former woman’s college. I would investigate with actual students. Nothing wrong with this but it’s going to be different. I get avoiding frat bro scene but this is maximum other direction. Hard pressed to imagine a gayer college (other than perhaps an art school)

It hasn't been a women's college for over 50 years at this point, time to get past that. And we don't think that way about most former men's colleges.

A former woman’s college is always going to have a dominantly feminine culture. Schools like Vassar and Sarah Lawrence remain predominantly female, more so than peers. Former men’s colleges embody masculine values and virtues. One of the reasons Vassar is so progressive, in the sense of free speech and robust dialogue being restricted, is that women are often more concerned about inclusivity than the rugged pursuit of truth. This isn’t me acting like Archie Bunker but rather the result of survey work: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-antisocial-psychologist/202104/the-gender-gap-in-censorship-support?amp

If my child wanted to apply to Vassar, I would refuse to pay for it. Plenty of better choices out there. The drug culture also bothers me- I was peripherally aware of the alternative/LGBT drug scene back in the 90s. Lots of synthetics which is scary in the context of fentanyl contamination. We aren’t talking about dead heads smoking joints here. A friend of a friend who was part of that scene at another NY state school ended up dying in the streets of Manhattan. If it makes Vassar folks feel any better I also know a Wes grad who died of a few years ago of drug related issues in his 50s

So caveat emptor with that Vassar transfer app.

How true is that though vs rumor? I’m trying to get my shy, heterosexual rather mainstream DS, who is not in any way a partier, to look at Vassar. I liked that it sounds kind of low key and nerdy in terms if they social scene and it’s strong in the academic areas of interest. I’ve known people that went there, but years ago, and they were more quiet and nerdy and not into drugs or even drinking.

Your son should definitely consider Vassar. PP has know idea what they are talking about. Vassar has no more drug problems than any other and fewer than some due to its small size and focus on academics. Kids work really hard there and are interested in learning. What does PP’s “friend of a friend who went a NY state school and died in his 50’s “have to do with Vassar in 2023? Why do people on this site offer advice when they know nothing about the topic? My kid is a recent graduate of Vassar and loved it. Great education and lifelong friends. Who aren’t drug addicts! Of course most SLAC are progressive and thus not for everyone, but you should realize that when you apply.

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, there are a lot of gay/bi men there. It’s a former woman’s college. I would investigate with actual students. Nothing wrong with this but it’s going to be different. I get avoiding frat bro scene but this is maximum other direction. Hard pressed to imagine a gayer college (other than perhaps an art school)

It hasn't been a women's college for over 50 years at this point, time to get past that. And we don't think that way about most former men's colleges.

A former woman’s college is always going to have a dominantly feminine culture. Schools like Vassar and Sarah Lawrence remain predominantly female, more so than peers. Former men’s colleges embody masculine values and virtues. One of the reasons Vassar is so progressive, in the sense of free speech and robust dialogue being restricted, is that women are often more concerned about inclusivity than the rugged pursuit of truth. This isn’t me acting like Archie Bunker but rather the result of survey work: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-antisocial-psychologist/202104/the-gender-gap-in-censorship-support?amp

If my child wanted to apply to Vassar, I would refuse to pay for it. Plenty of better choices out there. The drug culture also bothers me- I was peripherally aware of the alternative/LGBT drug scene back in the 90s. Lots of synthetics which is scary in the context of fentanyl contamination. We aren’t talking about dead heads smoking joints here. A friend of a friend who was part of that scene at another NY state school ended up dying in the streets of Manhattan. If it makes Vassar folks feel any better I also know a Wes grad who died of a few years ago of drug related issues in his 50s

So caveat emptor with that Vassar transfer app.

How true is that though vs rumor? I’m trying to get my shy, heterosexual rather mainstream DS, who is not in any way a partier, to look at Vassar. I liked that it sounds kind of low key and nerdy in terms if they social scene and it’s strong in the academic areas of interest. I’ve known people that went there, but years ago, and they were more quiet and nerdy and not into drugs or even drinking.

Your son should definitely consider Vassar. PP has know idea what they are talking about. Vassar has no more drug problems than any other and fewer than some due to its small size and focus on academics. Kids work really hard there and are interested in learning. What does PP’s “friend of a friend who went a NY state school and died in his 50’s “have to do with Vassar in 2023? Why do people on this site offer advice when they know nothing about the topic? My kid is a recent graduate of Vassar and loved it. Great education and lifelong friends. Who aren’t drug addicts! Of course most SLAC are progressive and thus not for everyone, but you should realize that when you apply.

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, there are a lot of gay/bi men there. It’s a former woman’s college. I would investigate with actual students. Nothing wrong with this but it’s going to be different. I get avoiding frat bro scene but this is maximum other direction. Hard pressed to imagine a gayer college (other than perhaps an art school)

It hasn't been a women's college for over 50 years at this point, time to get past that. And we don't think that way about most former men's colleges.

A former woman’s college is always going to have a dominantly feminine culture. Schools like Vassar and Sarah Lawrence remain predominantly female, more so than peers. Former men’s colleges embody masculine values and virtues. One of the reasons Vassar is so progressive, in the sense of free speech and robust dialogue being restricted, is that women are often more concerned about inclusivity than the rugged pursuit of truth. This isn’t me acting like Archie Bunker but rather the result of survey work: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-antisocial-psychologist/202104/the-gender-gap-in-censorship-support?amp

If my child wanted to apply to Vassar, I would refuse to pay for it. Plenty of better choices out there. The drug culture also bothers me- I was peripherally aware of the alternative/LGBT drug scene back in the 90s. Lots of synthetics which is scary in the context of fentanyl contamination. We aren’t talking about dead heads smoking joints here. A friend of a friend who was part of that scene at another NY state school ended up dying in the streets of Manhattan. If it makes Vassar folks feel any better I also know a Wes grad who died of a few years ago of drug related issues in his 50s

So caveat emptor with that Vassar transfer app.

How true is that though vs rumor? I’m trying to get my shy, heterosexual rather mainstream DS, who is not in any way a partier, to look at Vassar. I liked that it sounds kind of low key and nerdy in terms if they social scene and it’s strong in the academic areas of interest. I’ve known people that went there, but years ago, and they were more quiet and nerdy and not into drugs or even drinking.

Your son should definitely consider Vassar. PP has know idea what they are talking about. Vassar has no more drug problems than any other and fewer than some due to its small size and focus on academics. Kids work really hard there and are interested in learning. What does PP’s “friend of a friend who went a NY state school and died in his 50’s “have to do with Vassar in 2023? Why do people on this site offer advice when they know nothing about the topic? My kid is a recent graduate of Vassar and loved it. Great education and lifelong friends. Who aren’t drug addicts! Of course most SLAC are progressive and thus not for everyone, but you should realize that when you apply.

Vassar is exceedingly progressive

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not typical for half the men at a college to be gay so it’s something that any applicant should be comfortable with. It’s a defining attribute of Vassar. I don’t think any other top LACs have that characteristic.

Vassar also has to go to lengths to maintain its male ratio which stands now at 38 pct. It is less selective when it comes to men. that is something to think about. A lot of guys are perhaps there because they wanted to attend a top ranked lac and this is the only one they could get into. Financial aid is also very good at Vassar which could be attractive to male applicants from lower income backgrounds. So one observation is that you could have a lot of men there who are there for the academic part rather than really being invested in the school culture. All things to consider.

https://miscellanynews.org/2019/04/10/opinions/vassar-admissions-exhibits-gender-bias-against-women/

Do let us know where we can find data on the fraction of men at a college who are gay.

Also, many colleges/universities are less selective when it comes to men. For example, see

https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/can-your-gender-give-you-an-admissions-edge/

And explore the data available at

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2021/09/gender-advantages-in-college-admission.html

Also, check out the Vassar Factbook to see how this gender advantage for men has been changing in recent years,

https://offices.vassar.edu/institutional-research/fact-book/

Always good to be well-informed before making broad pronouncements.

I really don’t think there is reliable data out there tracking gay populations but alums here seem to confirm it was about half.

I didn’t learn anything knew from the fact book. 38 pct male is taken from CDS.

Look- it’s a very female and very gay school. Nothing wrong with that but it sets it apart from other schools.

PP Vassar alum here. I said in my previous post that "it seemed like half the men were gay." I have no idea the actual percentage was. Don't take my post as confirmation that it was about half.

It’s probably illegal to ask people if they are gay (but who knows anymore?). So we have to rely on impressions and your impression is probably not far off. It is logical that gay males would be drawn to a very progressive former women’s college near NYC

And people that want an environment accepting if gay students. It seems crazy to have to deliberately consider that in the year of 2023 but here we are. Things going on in places like Florida are repellent to gay students and other people that know and support the gay people in their lives

Yes. Vassar is a sort of a “sanctuary school” for gays and progressives. A safe space free of conflicting viewpoints.

Accusing gay people of being "groomers" is not a conflicting viewpoint. It is a homophobic slur and yet we have to read about garbage like that every day down here in Florida.

+1 It's like saying a person of color who doesn't want to go to a school where racism is held up as an "alternate view" is just wanting a "safe space free of conflicting views" -- conflicting views are welcom, a culture that supports attacks or discrimination against someone's race/ethnicity/religious/sexual identity are not.

More accurately, anyone who veers in the slightest from progressive orthodoxy is not welcome. Vassar is a progressive madrasa

More accurately, anyone who is using homophobic slurs is not " veering from progressive orthodoxy" . Do you do that at New college or VMI and that is considered an " alternate" viewpoint?

Who is using slurs?

Explain to us what the "conflicting viewpoint" about gay people is please?

In general, I would say there are conflicting viewpoints on matters related to race, gender and sexual ideology. At a school like Vassar, failure to support established progressive ideas would be considered hate speech and equated with slurs. Criticism of the concept of equity, for example, is characterized as hate speech.

You are not explaining the conflicting viewpoint held about gay people.

I think there is more disagreement around gender identity/fluidity. The idea that conventional conservatives “oppose” homosexuality is contrived.

Someone posted about "conflicting viewpoints" about gay people are not welcome at Vassar without any explanation of what the heck they are talking about. Another poster is asking what is meant by that and there is no answer.

This was my answer. I don’t recall saying that homosexuality was a specific area rife with diverse viewpoints. Those words were put into my mouth to suggest there is some kind of live debate as to whether homosexuality is good or bad. My point was to say there is a ton of diverse thinking about gender identity and sexuality issues more broadly - and here is where close minded progressives will refuse to engage. For example, there are those who disbelieve that gender identity is fluid such that if your perception of your gender identity is discordant with your birth sex, you suffer from a mental disorder known as gender dysphoria. I suspect the latter point of view would be rendered hate speech by the majority of Vassar undergrads.

I was talking about the post that said Vassar was a safe space for gays free from "conflicting viewpoints". That is what the post said. No one understands what these conflicting viewpoints about gays are that would be unwelcome.

If you are saying that being gay is a mental disorder than I would argue that that is a slur and I would be correct.