NVSL Seeding is out!

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Schedules are out now too, for those of you worried about which pools you might have to visit.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

We just declined membership this week - we applied late summer 2014. We have been at our current middle division pool for 5 years and it’s a great fit for our kids who just want to have fun.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

DH is 6-7 years now and mainly pulls from Bluemont, Dominion Hills, and Madison Manor. It’s $1000 to join and $950 per year. You can transfer membership with a home sale, same as Overlee. It’s a small, older pool with lots of young families and a fun swim team.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

We just declined membership this week - we applied late summer 2014. We have been at our current middle division pool for 5 years and it’s a great fit for our kids who just want to have fun.

That is a long time to wait for a membership. I would think that you would have to sign up when you get married (or before) and then you might be ready to join when your kids are 7. That is a lot of planning.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Arlington Forest has a $3300 buy-in. Not even Overlee is $10k

https://arlingtonforestclub.org/membership/

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

We just declined membership this week - we applied late summer 2014. We have been at our current middle division pool for 5 years and it’s a great fit for our kids who just want to have fun.

That is a long time to wait for a membership. I would think that you would have to sign up when you get married (or before) and then you might be ready to join when your kids are 7. That is a lot of planning.

Funny you should say that! We signed up for a bunch of pools when I was pregnant with our oldest on the advice of a co-worker. I submitted my Overlee application at the same time as daycare applications. We got a summer rental at our current pool after 3 years and full membership at 5 years. Now the lists are 7-9 years. I wonder at some point if there will be a lack of 8&U swimmers in Arlington or if there will always be enough younger siblings.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

We just declined membership this week - we applied late summer 2014. We have been at our current middle division pool for 5 years and it’s a great fit for our kids who just want to have fun.

That is a long time to wait for a membership. I would think that you would have to sign up when you get married (or before) and then you might be ready to join when your kids are 7. That is a lot of planning.

Funny you should say that! We signed up for a bunch of pools when I was pregnant with our oldest on the advice of a co-worker. I submitted my Overlee application at the same time as daycare applications. We got a summer rental at our current pool after 3 years and full membership at 5 years. Now the lists are 7-9 years. I wonder at some point if there will be a lack of 8&U swimmers in Arlington or if there will always be enough younger siblings.

Odds are you are correct but we have established that Overlee does not recruit.

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Anonymous wrote:As a team rep I am not ready for summer

We ended up exactly where we expected.

My condolences to McLean who are this year's Div 1 tributes.

I wish they would make a premier division for Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, Overlee, and any other team that wants to recruit and build super teams. The other teams in Division 1 really are just tributes, as you note.

May be naïve question but aren't pools/memberships determined by neighborhood location etc.? are do some pools allow people to become members/jump waiting list regardless of where they live (if they have kid who's great swimmer)?

Very few are dictated by geographical boundaries. Donaldson Run is the only one I know that has an actual boundary. Everyone else has a very long list, but I’ve heard that Overlee will allow jumping off the list with a very good swimmer. No idea if that is just unfounded rumor. The wait list for that pool is like a decade long.

Chesterbrook absolutely recruits.

Overlee recruits as well.

Overlee has an 8+ year wait list. Do you personally know someone (nor what you’ve heard) who has cut to the front of the line as a recruit? Because I sure don’t.

NP. I know someone that was on the team and became members after moving to the area. The kid was a club swimmer and JO level. So I don't think that they were on their waitlist. The swam some A meets for them but after a year left and moved to a lower division pool so the kid could swim more.

This just doesn't make sense. I find it bizarre that there was a swimmer that magically started at Overlee without being on the waitlist that swam year round - made JO cuts - yet couldn't swim 2 individual events/possibly a relay or 2 at A meets so had to move to a lower division to swim more? Come on. This is just silly. I'm a former team rep at Overlee. We absolutely do not recruit. Each year people bring up ways to make our waitlist move quicker, etc. and things don't change which is why the majority of the A meet swimmers are from the same families and the same kids every year. You do not see a lot of new names at these meets and believe me - if they are making JO cuts and swimming year rounds - they can swim at A summer swim meets.

I don't understand how magically, only the Overlee zip codes have among the fastest swimmers in northern va. You don't recruit, you don't ever let anyone jump the waitlist...how long is the pool waitlist? 10 years?

We just declined membership this week - we applied late summer 2014. We have been at our current middle division pool for 5 years and it’s a great fit for our kids who just want to have fun.

That is a long time to wait for a membership. I would think that you would have to sign up when you get married (or before) and then you might be ready to join when your kids are 7. That is a lot of planning.

Funny you should say that! We signed up for a bunch of pools when I was pregnant with our oldest on the advice of a co-worker. I submitted my Overlee application at the same time as daycare applications. We got a summer rental at our current pool after 3 years and full membership at 5 years. Now the lists are 7-9 years. I wonder at some point if there will be a lack of 8&U swimmers in Arlington or if there will always be enough younger siblings.

Don't discount the very real value of real estate transfer. Usually, it's an older family moving away and a young family coming in.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Did not know that about Arlington Forest. 10k. Damn.

Dominion Hills is on Wilson Blvd right near Ashlawn. Small and fairly shabby facilities. Wait list is shorter but still 4-5 years. No big ticket price to get in though.

Dang. I hope it’s nice. Ours is less than $700 to join as a permanent member and there are no other dues costs the first year.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Did not know that about Arlington Forest. 10k. Damn.

Dominion Hills is on Wilson Blvd right near Ashlawn. Small and fairly shabby facilities. Wait list is shorter but still 4-5 years. No big ticket price to get in though.

Dang. I hope it’s nice. Ours is less than $700 to join as a permanent member and there are no other dues costs the first year.

…and not even close to forming a waitlist.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Arlington forest does not have a 10k membership fee- what a bizarre statement. Its currently 3600, of which you get 3375 back when you want to resign your membership and sell your share back to the club.
https://arlingtonforestclub.org/membership/

+1 We did not pay 10k!!

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Arlington forest does not have a 10k membership fee- what a bizarre statement. Its currently 3600, of which you get 3375 back when you want to resign your membership and sell your share back to the club.
https://arlingtonforestclub.org/membership/

Meh. $4200 is a lot for a sign up fee for one summer. It is like they are pricing out people of color or poorer families. Nevermind, I looked at the team photo. They have one black kid and a couple of brown ones in that VERY large team. So their pricing is not discouraging diversity.

Its a one time fee, not per summer!

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One thing not mentioned is that many of the really good Overlee swimmers have parents who swam at youth/college... so they knew to get on the list early. Like when they moved to the neighborhood before kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Arlington forest does not have a 10k membership fee- what a bizarre statement. Its currently 3600, of which you get 3375 back when you want to resign your membership and sell your share back to the club.
https://arlingtonforestclub.org/membership/

Meh. $4200 is a lot for a sign up fee for one summer. It is like they are pricing out people of color or poorer families. Nevermind, I looked at the team photo. They have one black kid and a couple of brown ones in that VERY large team. So their pricing is not discouraging diversity.

It’s a one time fee, not per summer!

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That still sounds like a lot for one time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been surprised at how crappy some of the non-hoa pools are, that people join waitlists and pay membership fees to join.

There are zero pools in South Arlington. So you have no options.

Arlington Forest pool is just over Rt 50. Not far at all.

Dominion Hills and Fort Myer too.

Arlington Forest is an amazing pool but it is a 10K sign up for membership fee and a 7-10 year waitlist.

Fort Myer is lovely, more like a club than a pool with real food you can order and lots of expensive fun activities paid for by DoD, but you have to be military or GS to join. Which is not too tough in this area. It is also Colonial League which arguably might be a plus in its favor.

I know nothing about Dominion Hills.

Arlington forest does not have a 10k membership fee- what a bizarre statement. Its currently 3600, of which you get 3375 back when you want to resign your membership and sell your share back to the club.
https://arlingtonforestclub.org/membership/

Meh. $4200 is a lot for a sign up fee for one summer. It is like they are pricing out people of color or poorer families. Nevermind, I looked at the team photo. They have one black kid and a couple of brown ones in that VERY large team. So their pricing is not discouraging diversity.

It’s a one time fee, not per summer!

DP
That still sounds like a lot for one time.

Really? You get access to tennis all year.