What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.

HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.

To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.

exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.

I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.

To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.

No RP went to Frost/Wootton - as walkers.

I believe there will be a lot of restructuring. I think King Farm will finally not be split down the middle and the entire neightborhood will go to Gaithersburg HS to increase more UMC diversity.
Fallsgrove will go to Crown
New development on the Pike and Tower Oaks will go to RM

Overall these changes will make RM worse than it already has been lately. But at least it won't be overcrowded. It's embarrassing they rejected an additional unfinished floor shell be built when they were approving plans of the new RM. They already have the smallest parking lot and it is full of portables.

Meaning what?

Not the PP but 2 guns on campus last month just 10 days apart. At least 3 drug overdoses on campus. 3rd floor bathroom weed/vaping/fight center. Known gang members, etc…

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Anonymous wrote:It started at $50K. A couple more pages, and their home value will have dropped $500K at this rate. Presumably there are also folks whose property value went up with the great rezoning of horizon him? Yay for them? And maybe someday people will figure out student success has more to do with parents than school assignment.

Horizon Hill too busy preparing their racist testimony for boundary hearings to update their kitchens.

Did you know that there are Black home owners in HH? Are they racist, too?

Are they people who have been homeowners in Horizon Hill for over 35 years and are still bringing up the injustice of the rezoning as though it had happened yesterday?

I don't know, but regardless, your assumption that HH is only full of rich white people is incorrect, and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.

HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.

To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.

exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.

I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.

To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.

No RP went to Frost/Wootton - as walkers.

I believe there will be a lot of restructuring. I think King Farm will finally not be split down the middle and the entire neightborhood will go to Gaithersburg HS to increase more UMC diversity.
Fallsgrove will go to Crown
New development on the Pike and Tower Oaks will go to RM

Overall these changes will make RM worse than it already has been lately. But at least it won't be overcrowded. It's embarrassing they rejected an additional unfinished floor shell be built when they were approving plans of the new RM. They already have the smallest parking lot and it is full of portables.

Meaning what?

Not the PP but 2 guns on campus last month just 10 days apart. At least 3 drug overdoses on campus. 3rd floor bathroom weed/vaping/fight center. Known gang members, etc…

One boy was found to have a gun. The other incident was not proven to involve a gun.

Known gang members? Can you cite your source? Per RPD and MCPD, neither incidents involved gangs, either. They were very specific about that.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.

HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.

To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.

exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.

I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.

To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.

No RP went to Frost/Wootton - as walkers.

I believe there will be a lot of restructuring. I think King Farm will finally not be split down the middle and the entire neightborhood will go to Gaithersburg HS to increase more UMC diversity.
Fallsgrove will go to Crown
New development on the Pike and Tower Oaks will go to RM

Overall these changes will make RM worse than it already has been lately. But at least it won't be overcrowded. It's embarrassing they rejected an additional unfinished floor shell be built when they were approving plans of the new RM. They already have the smallest parking lot and it is full of portables.

Meaning what?

Not the PP but 2 guns on campus last month just 10 days apart. At least 3 drug overdoses on campus. 3rd floor bathroom weed/vaping/fight center. Known gang members, etc…

One boy was found to have a gun. The other incident was not proven to involve a gun.

Known gang members? Can you cite your source? Per RPD and MCPD, neither incidents involved gangs, either. They were very specific about that.

Of course not...

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Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

????????????????

The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.

HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.

To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.

exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.

I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.

To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.

No RP went to Frost/Wootton - as walkers.

I believe there will be a lot of restructuring. I think King Farm will finally not be split down the middle and the entire neightborhood will go to Gaithersburg HS to increase more UMC diversity.
Fallsgrove will go to Crown
New development on the Pike and Tower Oaks will go to RM

Overall these changes will make RM worse than it already has been lately. But at least it won't be overcrowded. It's embarrassing they rejected an additional unfinished floor shell be built when they were approving plans of the new RM. They already have the smallest parking lot and it is full of portables.

Meaning what?

Not the PP but 2 guns on campus last month just 10 days apart. At least 3 drug overdoses on campus. 3rd floor bathroom weed/vaping/fight center. Known gang members, etc…

One boy was found to have a gun. The other incident was not proven to involve a gun.

Known gang members? Can you cite your source? Per RPD and MCPD, neither incidents involved gangs, either. They were very specific about that.

RM Witnesses said he had a gun on campus and he was picked up a few blocks from campus.

I mean my kids go to RM. Everyone knows he had a gun. Even the security camera shows him holding something. I don't know why parents are actually trying to make it seem like he didn't. I am highly concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.

That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.

When there are houses that are literally a short walking distance of the school, yes, there is a walk zone. MCPS just chooses not to have it to justify its decisions. At the upcounty boundary study, they had an opportunity to revise the boundaries for Neelsville Middle School so that kids within walking distance to that school can attend and walk to that school instead of continuing to take the bus to MLK MS. They didn't do that. Demographics is their primary priority; the other factors are secondary. Full stop.

Nope. If there is no safe walking route, then it is not a walk zone, even if it's literally across the street (355 and Germantown Road, in the case of Neelsville Middle School). You want more kids to walk? Then you should push the county and the state for safe routes to school.

I'm talking about Stratford Knolls community which is on the same side of 355 as Neelsville Middle School- where homes are less than a mile away from the school. I don't know how much safer you want those kids to walk. All the kids have to do is walk the nice, safe sidewalks of Shakespeare Blvd. and Neelsville Church Rd. where the school is. Kids don't have to step foot on 355 at all.

So you want Sally K. Ride ES to split articulate to THREE middle schools - MLK, Clemente, and Neelsville? Do you live in this neighborhood and want your child to walk to Neelsville, or do you live in an area which got reassigned from Rocky Hill/Clarksburg to Neelsville/Seneca Valley, and you're still angry about it and you think those other homeowners/kids over there should have been assigned to Neelsville/Seneca Valley instead of you/your kids?

Calm down. I was simply making a point that no distance from a school will keep one safe from being rezoned. As you can see with Neelsville, the neighborhood that is perfectly a short and safe walk to the school was not rezoned to the school during the upcountry boundary study. MCPS has a more important priority when considering school assignments. And as for the split articulation at Sally Ride, well they could just have 2; Clemente and Neelsville; or MLK and Neelsville. Regardless, one of those schools should be Neelsville.

Yes, yes anything can happen but if you are currently in the school's walkzone you should be safe.

That is not true

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.

That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.

When there are houses that are literally a short walking distance of the school, yes, there is a walk zone. MCPS just chooses not to have it to justify its decisions. At the upcounty boundary study, they had an opportunity to revise the boundaries for Neelsville Middle School so that kids within walking distance to that school can attend and walk to that school instead of continuing to take the bus to MLK MS. They didn't do that. Demographics is their primary priority; the other factors are secondary. Full stop.

Nope. If there is no safe walking route, then it is not a walk zone, even if it's literally across the street (355 and Germantown Road, in the case of Neelsville Middle School). You want more kids to walk? Then you should push the county and the state for safe routes to school.

I'm talking about Stratford Knolls community which is on the same side of 355 as Neelsville Middle School- where homes are less than a mile away from the school. I don't know how much safer you want those kids to walk. All the kids have to do is walk the nice, safe sidewalks of Shakespeare Blvd. and Neelsville Church Rd. where the school is. Kids don't have to step foot on 355 at all.

So you want Sally K. Ride ES to split articulate to THREE middle schools - MLK, Clemente, and Neelsville? Do you live in this neighborhood and want your child to walk to Neelsville, or do you live in an area which got reassigned from Rocky Hill/Clarksburg to Neelsville/Seneca Valley, and you're still angry about it and you think those other homeowners/kids over there should have been assigned to Neelsville/Seneca Valley instead of you/your kids?

Calm down. I was simply making a point that no distance from a school will keep one safe from being rezoned. As you can see with Neelsville, the neighborhood that is perfectly a short and safe walk to the school was not rezoned to the school during the upcountry boundary study. MCPS has a more important priority when considering school assignments. And as for the split articulation at Sally Ride, well they could just have 2; Clemente and Neelsville; or MLK and Neelsville. Regardless, one of those schools should be Neelsville.

Yes, yes anything can happen but if you are currently in the school's walkzone you should be safe.

That is not true

If you are currently in a school's walk zone, it is very unlikely that they will reassign you to a different school where you would be in a bus zone. They might reassign you to a different school where you would be in a walk zone, if you happen to live somewhere where you would be in the walk zone for more than one school.

Entirely separate from the assumption that staying at the same school is "safe" and getting reassigned to a different school is "danger."

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.

HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.

To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.

exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.

I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.

To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.

No RP went to Frost/Wootton - as walkers.

I believe there will be a lot of restructuring. I think King Farm will finally not be split down the middle and the entire neightborhood will go to Gaithersburg HS to increase more UMC diversity.
Fallsgrove will go to Crown
New development on the Pike and Tower Oaks will go to RM

Overall these changes will make RM worse than it already has been lately. But at least it won't be overcrowded. It's embarrassing they rejected an additional unfinished floor shell be built when they were approving plans of the new RM. They already have the smallest parking lot and it is full of portables.

Meaning what?

Not the PP but 2 guns on campus last month just 10 days apart. At least 3 drug overdoses on campus. 3rd floor bathroom weed/vaping/fight center. Known gang members, etc…

One boy was found to have a gun. The other incident was not proven to involve a gun.

Known gang members? Can you cite your source? Per RPD and MCPD, neither incidents involved gangs, either. They were very specific about that.

RM Witnesses said he had a gun on campus and he was picked up a few blocks from campus.

I mean my kids go to RM. Everyone knows he had a gun. Even the security camera shows him holding something. I don't know why parents are actually trying to make it seem like he didn't. I am highly concerned.

1. the boy who was picked up had a gun - that was the second incident
2. there was no gun in the other incident, even if people "saw" what "looked" like a gun. That won't hold in court. "everyone knows" is hyperbole. Kids exaggerate. You feeding that fear is not helping. Maybe it was a gun, maybe not. There is no clear picture of it. Maybe it was a toy gun. But without proof, you are part of the gossip machine.

-RM parent

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.