What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...

And turning a blind eye to examples like this is MCPS corruption, pure and simple. MCPS CO forgets they work for the taxpayer, not the other way around.

All I can say is that if this type of thing continues when the next boundary analysis occurs, it's time for a change in MCPS leadership.

A mass firing of the top echelons would send the right message to shape up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...

And turning a blind eye to examples like this is MCPS corruption, pure and simple. MCPS CO forgets they work for the taxpayer, not the other way around.

All I can say is that if this type of thing continues when the next boundary analysis occurs, it's time for a change in MCPS leadership.

A mass firing of the top echelons would send the right message to shape up?

Your school board candidate lost big in 2020, moved out of Montgomery County, and is now big on opposing CRT and wokeness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...

And turning a blind eye to examples like this is MCPS corruption, pure and simple. MCPS CO forgets they work for the taxpayer, not the other way around.

All I can say is that if this type of thing continues when the next boundary analysis occurs, it's time for a change in MCPS leadership.

A mass firing of the top echelons would send the right message to shape up?

Are you arguing that rezoning of a neighborhood thirty years ago was the result of corruption? I mean, if that were true I think enough time has gone by that we would know.

Or do you just think that any boundary revisions are corruption because you are under the mistaken impression that you bought a school zone instead of a house?

The problem is that two new high schools are being build/rebuilt and they are going to need to be filled somehow. Meanwhile, you have multiple schools that are hundreds of kids over capacity, while others remain under capacity. There is a real need to open the new schools, and to realign boundaries.

Yes, that process will lead to "winners" and "losers" but it isn't actually the job of MCPS to preserve property values, and there is no mechanism for "a mass firing of the top echlons" if some people take a short-term hit.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

And MCPS doesn’t care nor should they. Boundaries are not made to protect your value. It about capacity management and use of resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

And MCPS doesn’t care nor should they. Boundaries are not made to protect your value. It about capacity management and use of resources.

LOL it’s never about capacity or resources.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...

And turning a blind eye to examples like this is MCPS corruption, pure and simple. MCPS CO forgets they work for the taxpayer, not the other way around.

All I can say is that if this type of thing continues when the next boundary analysis occurs, it's time for a change in MCPS leadership.

A mass firing of the top echelons would send the right message to shape up?

Oh I know and I can never forgive them for the bocce ball fiasco! The humanity of it!!!

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

And MCPS doesn’t care nor should they. Boundaries are not made to protect your value. It about capacity management and use of resources.

Completely agree but there's a fair amount of blatant fearmongering going on in this thread. Every credible indication seems like these changes will be a welcome improvement for the county.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

And MCPS doesn’t care nor should they. Boundaries are not made to protect your value. It about capacity management and use of resources.

Completely agree but there's a fair amount of blatant fearmongering going on in this thread. Every credible indication seems like these changes will be a welcome improvement for the county.

There are a lot of posts based on the assumptions that the current situation is intolerable, and any change will be be worse.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!

Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...

And turning a blind eye to examples like this is MCPS corruption, pure and simple. MCPS CO forgets they work for the taxpayer, not the other way around.

All I can say is that if this type of thing continues when the next boundary analysis occurs, it's time for a change in MCPS leadership.

A mass firing of the top echelons would send the right message to shape up?

You believe that a primary consideration of MCPS, with respect to zoning, should be preserving *your* property values? Sorry, no.

If you believe that properties zoned for one school are inherently more valuable than if zoned for another school, it's a zero sum game. Some leave a particular school and lose value, but some get moved in and increase in value. Why on earth should MCPS focus on the value of one property at the expense of another?

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.

It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.

This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.

DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.

If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.

Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.

PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.

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The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.

That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.