What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

Right? Obviously they have the maps. Why not just post them, like they post the service area maps?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

Right? Obviously they have the maps. Why not just post them, like they post the service area maps?

Like how Howard County posts their walk zone maps:

https://www.hcpss.org/f/schools/fulton-es-walk-area.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

Right? Obviously they have the maps. Why not just post them, like they post the service area maps?

Like how Howard County posts their walk zone maps:

https://www.hcpss.org/f/schools/fulton-es-walk-area.pdf

wow, one of the walk zone area crosses a major road

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

Right? Obviously they have the maps. Why not just post them, like they post the service area maps?

Like how Howard County posts their walk zone maps:

https://www.hcpss.org/f/schools/fulton-es-walk-area.pdf

wow, one of the walk zone area crosses a major road

They have a crossing guard.
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/howard-county-seeks-school-crossing-guards-while-promoting-walkers-over-bus-riders/37131284#

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

I would imagine the walk zones for the half-dozen high-schools they're looking at are already well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

I would imagine the walk zones for the half-dozen high-schools they're looking at are already well documented.

Asking seriously - is there a reason why MCPS shouldn't just go ahead and post all the walk zone maps like they post all the service area maps?

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

Perhaps, but if you're in a school's walks zone you're safe to say otherwise is just fearmongering.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

Ritchie Park is not overcapacity. None of the RM or Wootton elementary schools are overcapacity.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Pyle and Whitman have walk zones? They’re both on such busy streets that I wonder if needing to cross Wilson and Whittier prohibit them from having designated walkers

Yes, Pyle and Whitman both have walk zones. Students are not expected to cross River but are expected to cross Wilson.

As for Whittier being a busy street, compared Whittier to Connecticut and Veirs Mill, which Newport Mill students are expected to cross (Loiederman students are also expected to cross Connecticut), or University, which Eastern students are expected to cross, or Norbeck, which Wood students are expected to cross. And those are all just middle schools, so sixth graders.

^^^it would be super helpful if MCPS would publish maps of the walk zones, instead of requiring people to figure out where they are by comparing service area maps and bus stop locations.

+1 We just moved to MCPS and had no idea if there was a bus! We are walk zone, which makes sense, but there was no map to know. Just a list of bus stops where we don't know any of the streets yet.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/SchoolAssignmentTool2/Index.xhtml

Then click on the map for the grade level. It will show you the boundary.

Then go to the school website, which will have the bus schedule (normally). Or go here for the bus schedules
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/

If you moved into your home, you would be somewhat familiar with the roads. Look on a map. The bus schedule will state the cross streets. Or ask a neighbor.

...or MCPS could post maps of the walk zones...

PP here.. that would be awesome, and that would make redrawing boundary analysis more clear.

They will indicate the walk zones on the maps produced during the boundary study.

It would be good if they did now, though.

Right? Obviously they have the maps. Why not just post them, like they post the service area maps?

Like how Howard County posts their walk zone maps:

https://www.hcpss.org/f/schools/fulton-es-walk-area.pdf

wow, one of the walk zone area crosses a major road

They have a crossing guard.
https://www.wbaltv.com/article/howard-county-seeks-school-crossing-guards-while-promoting-walkers-over-bus-riders/37131284#

Sure, but in MCPS, ES kids who have to cross a major road like that are bused.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

Ritchie Park is not overcapacity. None of the RM or Wootton elementary schools are overcapacity.

..now.. because they had to build a brand new huge ES to get all the ES in RM cluster at capacity. Meanwhile neighboring Coldspring ES has been under capacity for a very long time. Point being, they could have rezoned parts of RPES neighborhood to Coldspring ES a long time ago prior to building Rustin. It would've alleviated the overcrowding at RPES years ago. Coldspring ES has been so under utilized that some parents there were fearful of the ES closing.

MCPS is terrible at planning. They are finally looking at adjacent clusters for planning purposes, but they should've been doing that all along. Very poor planning skills.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

"Safe"

Here's a helpful guide...

If you live 0.20 miles from School X, but you are assigned to School Y, then you ARE NOT a walker to School X.
If you live 0.20 miles from School X, and you are assigned to School X, but you get bus service, then you ARE NOT a walker to School X.
If you live 0.20 miles from School X, and you are assigned to School X, and you are in School X's walk zone, then you ARE a walker to School X.

Posters seem to be having trouble understanding these ideas, and I don't understand why.

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Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?

No one is safe. You can live .20 miles from a school and walk but you are not assigned to that school. The Horizon Hill neighborhood is still a huge issue because they are zoned to Ritchie Park (bus transportation) a school which is overcapacity while they could be walkers to Cold Spring ES, which is underutilized. If schools were centrally located in their zoned area then this is an easier topic. School boundaries should be looked at as neighborhoods do go through periods of increase and decreases of school aged kids.

Ritchie Park is not overcapacity. None of the RM or Wootton elementary schools are overcapacity.

..now.. because they had to build a brand new huge ES to get all the ES in RM cluster at capacity. Meanwhile neighboring Coldspring ES has been under capacity for a very long time. Point being, they could have rezoned parts of RPES neighborhood to Coldspring ES a long time ago prior to building Rustin. It would've alleviated the overcrowding at RPES years ago. Coldspring ES has been so under utilized that some parents there were fearful of the ES closing.

MCPS is terrible at planning. They are finally looking at adjacent clusters for planning purposes, but they should've been doing that all along. Very poor planning skills.

DCUM: what does it take to be "safe" from MCPS assigning you to a different school?
Also DCUM: why doesn't MCPS reassign to different schools more frequently?