S/O SUVs are a bad environmental choice, plus they are more dangerous. Don't buy SUVs.

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Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

[Anonymous]

I travel a lot for work and rent cars on my trips. I am stunned by how bad the visibility is in some sedans. Thank goodness for backup cameras because the slight lines are so bad on some of them.

It's a relief to get home to my SUV.

Also, I'm pretty nimble and small, but getting out of some sedans requires more strength than getting out of a small/medium sized SUV. I could see someone with mobility differences wanting something with a little more height.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

I guess you don't drive much. Get out on the road and you'll see that 90%+ of wrangler drivers are MAGAs. If you believe their stickers/plates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

Did you know the Jeep is named after a Cartoon Character?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A minivan is also a large vehicle. OP, are you equally worried about those? Genuinely curious.

Thanks to WFH, I drive very rarely. I think the best things we can do to prevent car accidents are (1) promote WFH and (2) promote safe walkable communities with footpaths (preferably separate from the road, protected by something more than a curb) which (3) necessarily means mixed use development, with stores near housing and housing near stores, as well as more of the right of way given over to paths and plantings.

But FYI, your "big SUVs kill people" argument does not make me want to drive a smaller car unless everyone else is doing it, so talk to your legislators about that. You are not going to solve a collective action problem by yelling at individuals online.

Minivans tend to be safer than SUVs due to visibility. Also, in my experience, people buy minivans because they need them (they aren't considered cool cars, people buy them because they need the seating, or in some cases for accessilbity reasons since minivans can be the best option for people with mobility issues due to the low entry and the fact that seats can be easily removed).
Whereas people buy SUVs for other reasons that I don't consider to be as valid -- often simply because they are trendy or convey status, but also because they like sitting up higher than others. The arguments that SUVs are safer are very unconvincing to me, as I've explained. In any case, SUVs are way more prevalent than minivans, so it doesn't seem people need to be deterred from needlessly buying a minivan. Whereas people by SUVs all the time just because.

I share your dream of more walkable, safer communities with more mixed used development, as well as policies that reduce the need for people to drive, especially to commute long distances. However, I tend to view all of this (the proliferation of SUVs, and the development of car-centric communities and proliferation of long commutes) as part of the same cultural attitudes. I don't think legislators are going to be able to change much until we convince people that caring about one another, and community, is more important than just feeling really comfy in your big vehicle during your 30 minute drive to work. I think we need to shift the window.

And the way I deal with the fact that big SUVs kill more people is by driving as little as possible, instead of buying a big SUV. It costs less and is always the safer choice. I think more people should try it.

This is where you are showing that the reasons you don’t like SUVs have nothing to do with safety.
Minivans are bigger than SUVs, would kill and cause more damages than SUVs, but you are fine with them.
Some people also buy SUVs because they need the extra space that sedans don’t provide. You ignore it and simply want to think that they buy it because they are cool. Because Minivans aren’t cool cars, you have no problems with it. You just hate people who want cool stuffs.
Do you kids ride in school buses? Guess what, they are bigger than SUVs and more dangerous for pedestrians, they are more likely to roll over and kill you kids. Perhaps these school buses should be banned and replace with smaller “safer” vehicles?

Your arguments make no sense at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

I guess you don't drive much. Get out on the road and you'll see that 90%+ of wrangler drivers are MAGAs. If you believe their stickers/plates.

Again, you truly are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

I guess you don't drive much. Get out on the road and you'll see that 90%+ of wrangler drivers are MAGAs. If you believe their stickers/plates.

Again, you truly are an idiot.

Truth hurts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

I guess you don't drive much. Get out on the road and you'll see that 90%+ of wrangler drivers are MAGAs. If you believe their stickers/plates.

Again, you truly are an idiot.

Truth hurts

That you're a moron? Yeha I guess it does though I woulnd't know. I'm not you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A minivan is also a large vehicle. OP, are you equally worried about those? Genuinely curious.

Thanks to WFH, I drive very rarely. I think the best things we can do to prevent car accidents are (1) promote WFH and (2) promote safe walkable communities with footpaths (preferably separate from the road, protected by something more than a curb) which (3) necessarily means mixed use development, with stores near housing and housing near stores, as well as more of the right of way given over to paths and plantings.

But FYI, your "big SUVs kill people" argument does not make me want to drive a smaller car unless everyone else is doing it, so talk to your legislators about that. You are not going to solve a collective action problem by yelling at individuals online.

Minivans tend to be safer than SUVs due to visibility. Also, in my experience, people buy minivans because they need them (they aren't considered cool cars, people buy them because they need the seating, or in some cases for accessilbity reasons since minivans can be the best option for people with mobility issues due to the low entry and the fact that seats can be easily removed).
Whereas people buy SUVs for other reasons that I don't consider to be as valid -- often simply because they are trendy or convey status, but also because they like sitting up higher than others. The arguments that SUVs are safer are very unconvincing to me, as I've explained. In any case, SUVs are way more prevalent than minivans, so it doesn't seem people need to be deterred from needlessly buying a minivan. Whereas people by SUVs all the time just because.

I share your dream of more walkable, safer communities with more mixed used development, as well as policies that reduce the need for people to drive, especially to commute long distances. However, I tend to view all of this (the proliferation of SUVs, and the development of car-centric communities and proliferation of long commutes) as part of the same cultural attitudes. I don't think legislators are going to be able to change much until we convince people that caring about one another, and community, is more important than just feeling really comfy in your big vehicle during your 30 minute drive to work. I think we need to shift the window.

And the way I deal with the fact that big SUVs kill more people is by driving as little as possible, instead of buying a big SUV. It costs less and is always the safer choice. I think more people should try it.

This is where you are showing that the reasons you don’t like SUVs have nothing to do with safety.
Minivans are bigger than SUVs, would kill and cause more damages than SUVs, but you are fine with them.
Some people also buy SUVs because they need the extra space that sedans don’t provide. You ignore it and simply want to think that they buy it because they are cool. Because Minivans aren’t cool cars, you have no problems with it. You just hate people who want cool stuffs.
Do you kids ride in school buses? Guess what, they are bigger than SUVs and more dangerous for pedestrians, they are more likely to roll over and kill you kids. Perhaps these school buses should be banned and replace with smaller “safer” vehicles?

Your arguments make no sense at all.

Statistically, minivans are not as deadly as SUVs in either multi-car accidents or when vehicles hit pedestrians. They also have better visibility of low objects in front of the vehicle than most larger SUVs. Minivans are less deadly than SUVs though more deadly than sedans.

There are statistics in this. Look at the IIHS website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

You really are an idiot. Wranglers are inanimate objects. They appeal to lots of people, some of whom are MAGA and others of whom are, like me, bomb throwing commies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Quit telling other people how to spend their money. I love my SUVs because (1) I love to off-road, try that in a hybrid sedan, (2) I prefer a manual transmission and hate sports cars; (3) when the weather is nice, I can take the top and doors off.

You drive a MAGA car?

No, I drive a Jeep. Fighting fascists since 1941.

In 2023, Wranglers are MAGA.

NP here and super liberal, but you just sound so so dumb. I can see why some people might find the other side appealing if they have to deal with you.

I guess you don't drive much. Get out on the road and you'll see that 90%+ of wrangler drivers are MAGAs. If you believe their stickers/plates.

Again, you truly are an idiot.

Truth hurts

That you're a moron? Yeha I guess it does though I woulnd't know. I'm not you.

Hey, if you and bomb girl want to drive MAGA cars, that's on you. Don't forget your Gadsden plates!