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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A minivan is also a large vehicle.  OP, are you equally worried about those?  Genuinely curious.

Thanks to WFH, I drive very rarely.  I think the best things we can do to prevent car accidents are (1) promote WFH and (2) promote safe walkable communities with footpaths (preferably separate from the road, protected by something more than a curb) which (3) necessarily means mixed use development, with stores near housing and housing near stores, as well as more of the right of way given over to paths and plantings.

But FYI, your "big SUVs kill people" argument does not make me want to drive a smaller car unless everyone else is doing it, so talk to your legislators about that. You are not going to solve a collective action problem by yelling at individuals online. [/quote]

Minivans tend to be safer than SUVs due to visibility. Also, in my experience, people buy minivans because they need them (they aren't considered cool cars, people buy them because they need the seating, or in some cases for accessilbity reasons since minivans can be the best option for people with mobility issues due to the low entry and the fact that seats can be easily removed). 
Whereas people buy SUVs for other reasons that I don't consider to be as valid -- often simply because they are trendy or convey status, but also because they like sitting up higher than others. The arguments that SUVs are safer are very unconvincing to me, as I've explained. In any case, SUVs are way more prevalent than minivans, so it doesn't seem people need to be deterred from needlessly buying a minivan. Whereas people by SUVs all the time just because.

I share your dream of more walkable, safer communities with more mixed used development, as well as policies that reduce the need for people to drive, especially to commute long distances. However, I tend to view all of this (the proliferation of SUVs, and the development of car-centric communities and proliferation of long commutes) as part of the same cultural attitudes. I don't think legislators are going to be able to change much until we convince people that caring about one another, and community, is more important than just feeling really comfy in your big vehicle during your 30 minute drive to work. I think we need to shift the window.

And the way I deal with the fact that big SUVs kill more people is by driving as little as possible, instead of buying a big SUV. It costs less and is always the safer choice. I think more people should try it.[/quote]

This is where you are showing that the reasons you don’t like SUVs have nothing to do with safety.
Minivans are bigger than SUVs, would kill and cause more damages than SUVs, but you are fine with them.
Some people also buy SUVs because they need the extra space that sedans don’t provide. You ignore it and simply want to think that they buy it because they are cool. Because Minivans aren’t cool cars, you have no problems with it. You just hate people who want cool stuffs.
Do you kids ride in school buses? Guess what, they are bigger than SUVs and more dangerous for pedestrians, they are more likely to roll over and kill you kids. Perhaps these school buses should be banned and replace with smaller “safer” vehicles?

Your arguments make no sense at all.[/quote]

Statistically, minivans are not as deadly as SUVs in either multi-car accidents or when vehicles hit pedestrians. They also have better visibility of low objects in front of the vehicle than most larger SUVs. Minivans are less deadly than SUVs though more deadly than sedans.

There are statistics in this. Look at the IIHS website.[/quote]

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