S/O SUVs are a bad environmental choice, plus they are more dangerous. Don't buy SUVs.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

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I love my SUV and would much rather be in it on 270 than a Camry. Not many bikers there so I'll take my chances. Second idiotic thread of the day.

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SUVs are more than 50% of new car sales. I think you have lost this battle.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

We also have a new sedan with cameras/sensors. I can see MUCH better in the small SUV because the seat is higher relative to the windows. Visibility is so much better.

Don’t believe me? Stop making assumptions and go test drive them.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Asking people to put their children in less safe conditions is not a winning strategy. If you really want to convince people to skip the SUV, you might want insult people less. Just a thought.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. SUV-shaming is overdue.

Did you wake up from 2000 or something? This thread reads like something from the late 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Spin off from the thread about the mom who doesn't want to be friends with other moms who drive SUVs. That thread got bogged down in other things, but so many of the responses on that thread were about justifying driving an SUV that I think it merits it's own thread.

An SUV is the least environmentally friendly choice you can make. Yes, even a hybrid SUV. If you can afford a hybrid SUV, you could also afford a hybrid sedan or station wagon. You should look critically at the size, weight, and fuel efficiency of every car you buy (if you must buy a car). SUVs are worse on all fronts. Don't buy SUVs.

SUVs are also significantly more dangerous to the general public than smaller vehicles. SUVs are more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists because they suck the person under the vehicle and crush them.

People will argue that they buy an SUV because it's safer for them to drive in. And on it's surface, this seems reasonable. In a collision, being in the heavier, larger vehicle is always safer. But ask yourself where that ends. If you buy a Rav 4 so that you are safer in a collision with a Camry, then what do you do when everyone has Ran 4s? Buy a Tahoe? Where does this end? Does buying an SUV really keep you safer, or does it just up the ante for what safety in a vehicle looks like, forcing everyone to buy larger and larger vehicles for "safety"?

Alternatively, if you have to buy a car (and really ask if you have to, maybe you don't need a car, or maybe you don't need two cars for your family, maybe there are ways to get away with less of these), buy the smallest safe car you can reasonable fit your family in. Then try to dive it as little as possible.

Ok, you can all yell at me and tell me how much you love your SUVs now.

Okay. I love my SUV.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Everyone is safer if drivers have better visibility.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Your approach is not going to change anyone’s mind. You need to start over.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Everyone is safer if drivers have better visibility.

Not if that visibility is in an SUV. Maybe instead of making broad pronouncements based on what you wish was true, or what you feel to be true, try reading the studies that show that SUVs are 2 to 3 times more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists than sedans.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Well, I can get hit by a meteor just walking down the street too. I'll still take my chances since most collisions don't occur by drivers plowing people sitting in a coffee shop (statistics). Since I'm statistically more likely to be involved in a collision while in my vehicle, I feel pretty good about my choice. Your concern is touching albeit misguided.

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Are you not in the business of protecting your family when they are on sidewalks, crossing streets, playing in the yard or in a friends yard, etc.? Because I am in that business and that is why I hate SUVs.

Fun fact: if a driver loses control of their vehicle and runs into your family sitting on the outdoor patio of a coffee shop, you and your children are more likely to die if the vehicle is an SUV than if it is a sedan.

So when I rail against SUVs, I'm actually trying to protect you and your family, even though you don't give a flying f--k about me and mine. Have a good one! I hope you don't have to spend any time outside your SUV!

Your approach is not going to change anyone’s mind. You need to start over.

What approach would change someone's mind?

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Anonymous wrote:You know that a Camry and RAV4 weigh the same, right?

The Rav4 sits up higher and is thus more dangerous to pedestrians. Also, to the PP who said she bought an SUV for visibility -- thing about what you are trying to make visible. SUV's make it easier to see over things, but they REDUCE visibility around your vehicle. Even with back up cameras, sitting up higher in your vehicle means that you are less able to see small objects (and small people) close to your vehicle.

It feels good to be able to see farther, but what is the actual benefit of that? Wouldn't you rather be able to better see a bike, a child, a dog, a ball rolling into the street, from a safety perspective? You are buying an SUV so you can see over things, but what about the stuff your SUV keeps you from seeing?

I have a 360 camera and crazy sensitive sensors. I’m LESS likely to hit something than my old sedan with poor visibility and no cameras/sensors.

But if you had a sedan with cameras and sensors...

You still sit much lower in a sedan. Go test drive one and stop spouting off your ignorance.

I'm a NP, but did you read any of this thread-sure in your new SUV you feel safer, but if you had replaced your old sedan with a new sedan the road would be safer for everyone. So if you only care about yourself own it but don't call others who have better values ignorant. Ignorant.

Well I think my values are better since I'm in the business of protecting my family in case of collision. You ARE ignorant if you can't see that some people differing values that are not inferior to your pie in the sky ones.

Everyone is safer if drivers have better visibility.

Not if that visibility is in an SUV. Maybe instead of making broad pronouncements based on what you wish was true, or what you feel to be true, try reading the studies that show that SUVs are 2 to 3 times more likely to kill pedestrians and cyclists than sedans.

How many people die in sedans when they colide with a bigger vehicle vs. how many pedestrians die as a result of being hit by any vehicle? Since you're so hung up on numbers, let's pull some actual numbers.