Why do you enter an advanced academics discussion if your kid is not smart enough?

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

I’m an AAP parent. I’m not anti-AAP. But I think the selection process is subjective and it’s not a gifted program/it’s an accelerated program. And that’s stretching it. I’m glad both my kids had/have the opportunity to be in it. I do think parents like you give the program a bad name by being assuming and acting like AAP kids are smarter than many gen Ed kids. When any criticism of the program gets met with “your kids must not be smart enough,” it just screams of insecurity and defensiveness.

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The truth is that AAP kids are smarter than MANY gen Ed kids. I’m sure that there are a few in gen Ed that were totally missed, but the point is that a parent with an average kid can’t really entirely understand a parent with an advanced and/or gifted kid. It’s like me trying to understand someone with a kid with Down syndrome let’s say. I really don’t. I have empathy for them, and I genuinely understand that it’s hard, but I’d be lying if I said I totally get them.

The same is true for intelligence and those struggles.

The problem is that people think that’s it’s boastful to be concerned about smart kids, when in reality it’s like with all kids, they deserve their own attention.

And to the people that talk about preparing and taxes, that’s also bs. If I’m paying for my kid to get ahead, you are actually paying less taxes for my kid, because I’m putting that burden on myself. Yes, true, gifted teachers cost a bit more, but not much enough to have a burden.


I don’t have time for more now.

I’m the PP. Do you hear yourself? Are you this insufferable and patronizing IRL? AAP isn’t a gifted program. Full stop. Get over it.

What makes you ask that? Please elaborate! Your exclamatory statements have no value to me or the discussion.

Those aren’t exclamatory statements. Aren’t you supposed to learn types of sentences in like second grade?

These! Are! Exclamatory! Statements! Op! You would know that if you were smart enough to be in this discussion.

Hahaha. Those are neurotic somethings, but definitely not exclamatory anythings. YOU should go back to second grade.

Yeah, I think it might be time for you to crawl back into your troll hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

This reminds me of the fable of the Empreror's new clothes. Anyone who would post this thread kid is clearly not smart enough for TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

Have another coffee, dear, with sugar.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

This reminds me of the fable of the Empreror's new clothes. Anyone who would post this thread kid is clearly not smart enough for TJ.

That is a short story my dear, not a fable, and it really doesn’t apply. It doesn’t matter how smart my own kid is, the truth still stands as I described it.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

This reminds me of the fable of the Empreror's new clothes. Anyone who would post this thread kid is clearly not smart enough for TJ.

That is a short story my dear, not a fable, and it really doesn’t apply. It doesn’t matter how smart my own kid is, the truth still stands as I described it.

I believe the short-story was rooted in an Indian fable. Nevertheless, the PP's point kind of stands.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

Many of us like to keep it this way and would prefer you stop mentioning this.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

This when you pull off the top 20% of a class, all of the sudden the middle that teachers teach to is a lot lower.

That’s not an excuse to hobble the top 20% and not to give them an appropriate education for their ability level. Sorry.

Giving them on on grade level education is fairer than giving the next 20% a below grade level education

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

This when you pull off the top 20% of a class, all of the sudden the middle that teachers teach to is a lot lower.

That’s not an excuse to hobble the top 20% and not to give them an appropriate education for their ability level. Sorry.

Giving them on on grade level education is fairer than giving the next 20% a below grade level education

So if you want to force a grade level education on advanced kids, why don’t you also force a grade level education on delayed kids? You see how that doesn’t make sense?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

In FCPS access to these enriched programs is provided to placate UMC families who can't afford private but don't want their children in gen ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

In FCPS access to these enriched programs is provided to placate UMC families who can't afford private but don't want their children in gen ed.

What a worldview!

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told OP yet that AAP isn't a gifted and talented program? Her child isn't gifted, a very teeny tiny population of AAP kids are truly gifted. I would guess that far more children do NOT belong in AAP (and are only there because of test prep, tutoring, and enrichment programs) than are actually gifted. It's laughable, OP, that you think that AAP is a gifted program.

That is very true. AAP is just a segregated program for parents with means. It has almost nothing to do with giftedness. Further, TJ up until recently was just an auction where many purchased their child's entrance. It's somewhat better now but hardly a gifted program.

In FCPS access to these enriched programs is provided to placate UMC families who can't afford private but don't want their children in gen ed.

What a worldview!

I know. I was very surprised it's so popular at FCPS.

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So if you want to force a grade level education on advanced kids, why don’t you also force a grade level education on delayed kids? You see how that doesn’t make sense?

That's what VMPI claimed they were going to do- putting all kids in algebra in 8th grade, which is technically above grade level. 'Everyone is a math person'