Why do you enter an advanced academics discussion if your kid is not smart enough?

[Anonymous]

Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Their mentality is 'If I can't have it, nobody can have it'.

[Anonymous]

Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Plenty of parents whose kids didn't get into TJ last year won't let it go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

This happens ALL the time with ALL kinds of tests. Med school grads have to take the board test and law school grads have to pass the bar exam to become licensed. Are you saying these people cheated because they used prep materials including previously used exam questions when preparing to take these tests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

Every parent can say the same. They’re taxpayers too, and usually they pay more taxes than you. And their kids need an appropriate education too.

It’s that your kids don’t qualify so you want to drown everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

This happens ALL the time with ALL kinds of tests. Med school grads have to take the board test and law school grads have to pass the bar exam to become licensed. Are you saying these people cheated because they used prep materials including previously used exam questions when preparing to take these tests?

The LSAT is considered the best IQ proxy test because everyone studies/preps for it. So everyone is starting on the same starting line. There is no other test with a comparable starting line, aside from a formal IQ test (and the prep materials for those are available too).

Fwiw, comparing the Cogat test to the LSAT just shows the extent of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

My kids are in AAP, but I follow these threads because I think OP and many of the other posters here are loons.

Have never encountered this kind of AAP crazy IRL, thank goodness. But I’m totally rubbernecking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

Every parent can say the same. They’re taxpayers too, and usually they pay more taxes than you. And their kids need an appropriate education too.

It’s that your kids don’t qualify so you want to drown everyone else.

Why do you assume that other parents pay more taxes than I do just because my kids aren't in AAP?

OP's question is ridiculous and if you are all so insecure that you need to tell other people that their kids aren't smart enough, I can't help you.

Similarly, why do so many parents opine on special education when their kids aren't receiving special education services?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

This happens ALL the time with ALL kinds of tests. Med school grads have to take the board test and law school grads have to pass the bar exam to become licensed. Are you saying these people cheated because they used prep materials including previously used exam questions when preparing to take these tests?

Poor analogies. Medical boards and the bar exam are designed to ensure individuals entering these professions have minimal knowledge and ability so that they don't harm patients or clients. They are also required to take ongoing training in their field to ensure those minimal standards. Of course doctors and lawyers study for those exams -- they are the single most important exams of their careers and the culmination of a lot of studying, time, and money.

A better analogy would be the the MCAT or LSAT for admission to professional schools. And yes, people spend money to prep for those as well. I actually used to teach LSAT prep classes. Even the though LSAT supposedly tests ability, not knowledge, it's a fairly easy test to greatly improve your score on via test prep. I had students who would come in getting 10% on the logic portion of the test exam, and get that up to 70-80% just using test-taking techniques to help them decode the questions.

Having taken the LSAT, taught it, attended law school, and worked in the legal industry for 20 years, I can assure you -- the LSAT does not test anyone's aptitude for lawyering. It does, however, screen out a lot of people who lack the money to take test prep courses to boost their scores, or ensure that these people attend lower ranked law schools and don't get access to certain employment opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

This happens ALL the time with ALL kinds of tests. Med school grads have to take the board test and law school grads have to pass the bar exam to become licensed. Are you saying these people cheated because they used prep materials including previously used exam questions when preparing to take these tests?

No. I'm saying that because of the preparation disparities, they don't measure giftedness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What do you think qualifies you to have a valid opinion or a meaningful input if you don’t have a real understanding of gifted individuals?

Ask all of the people who have been using exam prep to pass their kids off as brighter than they are.

This happens ALL the time with ALL kinds of tests. Med school grads have to take the board test and law school grads have to pass the bar exam to become licensed. Are you saying these people cheated because they used prep materials including previously used exam questions when preparing to take these tests?

Poor analogies. Medical boards and the bar exam are designed to ensure individuals entering these professions have minimal knowledge and ability so that they don't harm patients or clients. They are also required to take ongoing training in their field to ensure those minimal standards. Of course doctors and lawyers study for those exams -- they are the single most important exams of their careers and the culmination of a lot of studying, time, and money.

A better analogy would be the the MCAT or LSAT for admission to professional schools. And yes, people spend money to prep for those as well. I actually used to teach LSAT prep classes. Even the though LSAT supposedly tests ability, not knowledge, it's a fairly easy test to greatly improve your score on via test prep. I had students who would come in getting 10% on the logic portion of the test exam, and get that up to 70-80% just using test-taking techniques to help them decode the questions.

Having taken the LSAT, taught it, attended law school, and worked in the legal industry for 20 years, I can assure you -- the LSAT does not test anyone's aptitude for lawyering. It does, however, screen out a lot of people who lack the money to take test prep courses to boost their scores, or ensure that these people attend lower ranked law schools and don't get access to certain employment opportunities.

I posted the "Ask all of the people" post and came back to write exactly the above, but thankfully that poster did it much more eloquently than I could have. Thank you, friend.

Standardized exams are gatekeepers, but not to the incompetent. They are more often gatekeepers to the unresourced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are taxpayers and have students in FCPS that recognize that this is a zero sum game. Our kids are affected by these programs even if they aren't in them. And, most kids in AAP are not "gifted individuals".

Every parent can say the same. They’re taxpayers too, and usually they pay more taxes than you. And their kids need an appropriate education too.

It’s that your kids don’t qualify so you want to drown everyone else.

Why do you assume that other parents pay more taxes than I do just because my kids aren't in AAP?

OP's question is ridiculous and if you are all so insecure that you need to tell other people that their kids aren't smart enough, I can't help you.

Similarly, why do so many parents opine on special education when their kids aren't receiving special education services?

If according to you they are spending so much money to ‘prep’ that means that at a minimum they are purchasing more than you do, therefore paying more taxes than you do.

I don’t need to tell you that your kids aren’t smart, only that they’re not smart enough for gifted or advanced programs. I have never heard or read anywhere anything about anyone being against special Ed. Please quote a reputable source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people who are most adamantly against aap or TJ or the like have traditionally average kids.

What is your source for the information that most people who are most adamantly against AAP have traditionally average kids? I have three kids, all of whom are very bright but one who is extremely gifted. I am adamantly opposed to AAP.