Andrew Tate influence

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Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

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Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

My husband was a jock and is not into toxic masculinity, and the SA and SH rates in tech are abysmal. There is no pattern except entitlement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

?
Something is wrong if white men 25-34 are the primary source of suicide, hate groups, incels, etc. the more we brush it off, the bigger it gets. The stigma in mental health is real. We are raising the boys wrong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

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Something is wrong if white men 25-34 are the primary source of suicide, hate groups, incels, etc. the more we brush it off, the bigger it gets. The stigma in mental health is real. We are raising the boys wrong

Again, this is fringe activity. It’s a bunch of freaks. Losers. Yes, it’s an annoyance but it’s not like a widespread problem. And honestly it’s not really anything new, it’s just that social media makes it easier for them to connect.

[Anonymous]

His whole plan only works with you giving him free room and board. If he wants to be a big CEO he needs to pay rent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

?
Something is wrong if white men 25-34 are the primary source of suicide, hate groups, incels, etc. the more we brush it off, the bigger it gets. The stigma in mental health is real. We are raising the boys wrong

Again, this is fringe activity. It’s a bunch of freaks. Losers. Yes, it’s an annoyance but it’s not like a widespread problem. And honestly it’s not really anything new, it’s just that social media makes it easier for them to connect.

I’m sorry but I think you’ve lost the plot. Tate had 12B views on TikTok before takedown. That’s not fringe. Rogan is the largest space on Spotify. Musk needs no explanation. These guys aren’t fringe, nor is their message. Do you know an US HS male? Ask him who he follows. And his friends

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

?
Something is wrong if white men 25-34 are the primary source of suicide, hate groups, incels, etc. the more we brush it off, the bigger it gets. The stigma in mental health is real. We are raising the boys wrong

Again, this is fringe activity. It’s a bunch of freaks. Losers. Yes, it’s an annoyance but it’s not like a widespread problem. And honestly it’s not really anything new, it’s just that social media makes it easier for them to connect.

I’m sorry but I think you’ve lost the plot. Tate had 12B views on TikTok before takedown. That’s not fringe. Rogan is the largest space on Spotify. Musk needs no explanation. These guys aren’t fringe, nor is their message. Do you know an US HS male? Ask him who he follows. And his friends

This^^^

It’s is not fringe.

Women being raped and killed is not fringe when it 1/4 minimum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

This is some serious male toxicity. “Nerds” are not why we have fragile male egos. It’s the idiocy of the views that you espoused above (men need sports! And all those “you’re a man if you’re brave” tropes) that creates the Andrew Tate types. Plenty of boys play sports today. That’s not the problem. It’s the intolerance to men with different lifestyles and definitions of manhood that is

Sit down with that BS

I'm not sure why your panties are in a bunch? Is it because you're an incel or because your hubby or son is a nerd? Regardless, you are missing the point. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with nerds. The nerds are doing quite well. The issue is why young men gravitate towards this content. And the person comparing Joe Rogan to Andrew Tate is totally clueless.

[Anonymous]

Tell him feminine guys get the most female attention. Show him how much attention BTS gets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His whole plan only works with you giving him free room and board. If he wants to be a big CEO he needs to pay rent.

We have a son who seemed to be going down a similar path a few years back. Tate wasn’t a thing but misogyny and get rich schemes were a theme. We hit it hard and direct. And we made it clear that we were not supporting anyone with those sort of values. He was free to do and think as he saw fit but we were not obligated to support him and we were choosing not to. I actually think having the entire family confront every single bigoted and misogynistic thing out in f his mouth was what got through to him. Unlike OP, I felt that the risk of destroying my relationship with my son was worth it and I did not allow my fear of this to guide my actions.

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My son got snagged into one of those e-commerce things. Google drop shipping--it's the pyramid scheme of the 2020s. Also google the abysmal losses reaped by people who tried to get in on it. If it's not drop shipping, be ready with links to whatever scam it is.

If your son wants to drop out, then he needs to support himself. Full stop. No help from you, period. You most certainly don't waste your own money buying this Tate class for him, and be sure to tell him exactly why, complete with links to anguished failures.

The e-commerce gig will almost certainly fail and he'll wake up and want to return to college.

Best would be if he tries this over his summer break so he can return to school in the fall. Next best is takes a sabbatical (or whatever the college calls it) instead of dropping out. Then he can return to college when the e-commerce is over.

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There used to be a guy named RooshV who would basically talk about how to sleep with numerous women overseas. He had a few books and a message board prior to doing a 180 and turning religious. I'm sure some of his content was bordering on misogynistic. But people consume content for different reasons and don't necessarily buy everything that the content creator is selling. For example, RooshV had tons of great travel information. Yes, a lot of the information revolved around getting laid. Having consentual sex certainly isn't immoral. But like anything, it depends on how far you take these things. Do you compulsively lie to women? Are you disrespecting women? Are you unable to form relationships with women? Just because someone doesn't conform to your views/lifestyle doesn't mean they are immoral. You have to look a bit closer at what they are actually doing before passing judgement.

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Anonymous wrote:The result of weak soy boy culture

+1

Sitting in a classroom for 18 years and then spending the rest of your life in a cubicle on a computer is the definition of a soulless existence for most guys. Our society is creating a bunch of nerds. Things like sports, leadership, courage, integrity, and tenacity are just not emphasized like they used to. See something, say something. Uh, maybe you should DO something. Join the DE&I cult or else! You are a misogynist if you attempt to sleep with numerous attractive women! And don't go to school when it snows or play dodgeball because who knows what could happen

This guy is an obnoxious tool, but this is why you see a market for these clowns. I think it is likely a phase, and once his "business" fails, his opinion of this guy will hopefully change.

Op here. I totally get what you are saying about why this is a happening and I agree.

Even if it is a phase and has nowhere to really go in the long or even medium-run, it still must be addressed.

I have also come to the conclusion that it is going to be extremely hard to get him to see this for what it really is or make changes (aside from falling flat on his face which wouldn't be the worst thing) because it is not just him - it is his 2 best high school friends. Peer influence is everything at this age. I have no idea what or if their parents know what is going on. I am considering addressing all 3 of them in some way because they need to hear pushback from someone. Not in a confrontational way, but in a hey, guys, you are better than this sort of way. I certainly do not think I am going to just change their minds, but I hope to give them food for thought together. Then we can address ds issues specifically separately. You are all going to laugh but they are 'good kids'. They were leaders in hs, smart, athletic, good potential, etc. but they got involved in the gymbro culture during Covid and this is where it has led. Honestly I think a big part of it is that they all went to college and realized they were not the BMOC anymore and they are trying to find that feeling again in the wrong way/place.

And this is the problem. No one raises white men to be accepting of the fact that they might not be #1 all the time. White men have an expectation of being on top wherever they go. And when they’re not? The lash out and get violent.

You might think “nerdy guys” are soft or unmanly but I can tell you that those nerdy men who’ve been raised with respect for others and differing lifestyles are not a threat to society

This isn’t just a white boy problem

No, toxic masculinity affects all races. But white males account for 70% of all suicides in this country with highest rates of depression. The overwhelming majority of hate group members are white males. This isn’t coincidence

I was talking more about the phenomenon of threatened males resorting to violence. The fixation on the US here is pretty ethnocentric. It’s a global phenomenon — white men in the USA are generally a LOT more enlightened when it comes to women than men in many other cultures.

Obviously. We are significantly more socially progressive than KSA, China, India, etc. no one is arguing that. But where the US stands relative to other countries doesn’t change the fact that white men - in this country - have huge mental health issues that are not being met. I argue that it is bc they have told from childhood that they MUST be alpha male and anything less is failure. Oh, and they cannot cry, show weakness or any emotion. The male emotional intelligence is nil. This is where Andrew Tate comes in

That’s true for a subset. But it’s sort of a trope that white men’s mental health needs are underserved. This is still all very much fringe, freak stuff, well outside the norm.

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Something is wrong if white men 25-34 are the primary source of suicide, hate groups, incels, etc. the more we brush it off, the bigger it gets. The stigma in mental health is real. We are raising the boys wrong

Again, this is fringe activity. It’s a bunch of freaks. Losers. Yes, it’s an annoyance but it’s not like a widespread problem. And honestly it’s not really anything new, it’s just that social media makes it easier for them to connect.

I’m sorry but I think you’ve lost the plot. Tate had 12B views on TikTok before takedown. That’s not fringe. Rogan is the largest space on Spotify. Musk needs no explanation. These guys aren’t fringe, nor is their message. Do you know an US HS male? Ask him who he follows. And his friends

This^^^

It’s is not fringe.

Women being raped and killed is not fringe when it 1/4 minimum

Yep. Not fringe. Look at his follower number. It's frightening.

White men -a good many of them, not all of course- have always been born midfield while everyone else is at the starting line. Now they don't have the same sort of privileges and expectations they've always had. Politicians don't all look like them. Women are in positions of authority and have their own independence. They view it -again, many not all- as an attack. And they lash out. People raising boys need to do better. And if mental health is part of it, that needs to be fixed for everyone.