Elementary School allows Satanic Church sponsored club to meet along with Christian Club

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it’s provocative. It’s meant as a pushback to everyone who keeps trying to drag religion into public life. Good for the CoS

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

Nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.

Not the PP you are asking, but what does it matter what the specific clubs are doing? The Christian club was approved, and so was the Satan club. Sauce for the goose, etc.

I’m just curious. Atheism is the lack of belief, so there would seem to be no plan. If they’re doing Nature walks, why not call it that?

Do you really need to ask? It’s to draw attention to the fact that we have enshrined separation of church and state in our constitution, something that many religious folk don’t like.

So the kids sit around and complain about religious folk for an hour every week?

They haven't even met yet, so ow would you know.

This is what they said they're about: "“We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason,” ASSC’s June Everett said. As WTKR’s report points out, the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically."

I'll take them at their word, not that "complaining about religious folk for an hour every week" would be all bad.

The line about “we don’t want to convert children into any sort of religion” seems pretty self-evident, not sure why they felt they had to mention that as part of the club’s purpose, but maybe they had to say something?

Based on the number of people here who think atheism is a religion, I think it’s not self-evident to all.

Atheism has become a type of religion for some atheists.

No, it hasn’t. Words have meanings.

[Anonymous]

Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

ASS Club should definitely not be allowed on school property.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

ASS Club should definitely not be allowed on school property.

If not, then neither should religious clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

ASS Club should definitely not be allowed on school property.

If not, then neither should religious clubs.

That went over your head. Try pulling your head out next time.

[Anonymous]

ASS leadership must have been when choosing a name for their ASS Club.

Bring your kid to ASS, we will teach them to think critically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

I'm going to throw out there that it was a provocative religion (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that kept creationism from being taught in public schools as actual science. I wouldn't be surprised if these Satanists are keeping Evangelicals from forcing their beliefs in the classroom now.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

I'm going to throw out there that it was a provocative religion (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that kept creationism from being taught in public schools as actual science. I wouldn't be surprised if these Satanists are keeping Evangelicals from forcing their beliefs in the classroom now.

No, it was a little thing called the Scopes Monkey Trial. The ignorance on this board never fails to surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

I'm going to throw out there that it was a provocative religion (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that kept creationism from being taught in public schools as actual science. I wouldn't be surprised if these Satanists are keeping Evangelicals from forcing their beliefs in the classroom now.

No, it was a little thing called the Scopes Monkey Trial. The ignorance on this board never fails to surprise.

DP. Not a SCOTUS case, but Pastafarianism has influenced rules around creationism. The things we need to do to keep myths out of schools.

[Anonymous]

The Satanic Church does an excellent job of highlighting how fraught and probably ill-conceived it is to have religious clubs at public schools. Everything goes, or nothing goes; it's only fair. People's judeo-Christian bias makes them not realize this.

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Duh. It's what you get when you insist on having religion in public schools. They could start a scientology club too now if they wanted to, which I consider much more dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools are just a sad performative battleground between right wing and left wing adults. According to the NAEP, most kids can't read or do math at grade level, but I suppose the kids must have their right to ASS (After School Satan) and whatever else we can fill their time with to distract from academics.

I'm going to throw out there that it was a provocative religion (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) that kept creationism from being taught in public schools as actual science. I wouldn't be surprised if these Satanists are keeping Evangelicals from forcing their beliefs in the classroom now.

No, it was a little thing called the Scopes Monkey Trial. The ignorance on this board never fails to surprise.

DP. Not a SCOTUS case, but Pastafarianism has influenced rules around creationism. The things we need to do to keep myths out of schools.

Yeah, no.