Elementary School allows Satanic Church sponsored club to meet along with Christian Club

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha that’s funny. The idea of elementary school Satanists cracks me up.

According to my understanding of the first amendment they actually shouldn’t allow either.

You'd be wrong. Courts have upheld the consitututionality of afterschool religious clubs. They're allowed.

I know, but I think it’s contradictory with other first amendment opinions. Note that the opinion allowing for after school clubs had three dissenters - Ginsberg, Steven’s, and Souter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

Tell me you didn’t read the story without telling me you didn’t read the story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

If you read OP’s blurb it’s really an atheism club. Still, most parents will think like you and that’s the reason this club is never going to have more than 5 members.

So why they picked the name After School Satan Club? To get media attention? To provoke?
Sorry but no matter what is the content of the club i would feel really uncomfortable having my DC going to a club branding itself as satanic.
For my ES DC I want school clubs about art, sports, STEM, chess, scouts, music etc not this crap!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

So maybe Satan has gotten a bad rap down through the ages. It would be interesting to study this idea as a refreshing antidote (if it is) to the teachings of the religious clubs. But I do think elementary is too young for it to be well attended. It could be more popular in middle and high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

That's a different, although similar, organization.

I am not an atheist, but would absolutely sign my elementary school aged kids up for that. The name doesn't bother me, and I do think it is good to raise the question of whether we actually want people of any belief system to have access to our children on public school grounds for the purpose of proselytizing.

[Anonymous]

Of course it’s provocative. It’s meant as a pushback to everyone who keeps trying to drag religion into public life. Good for the CoS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like Christians pushed hard to get religion into public schools and then are outraged when a religion that they don't like walks through the doors they opened

Where did you see outrage?

"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do."
...
"Now, I'm being concerned about the welfare of my child and other classmates of his that are maybe exposed to this satanic group," she said. "I'm very concerned about it.



https://www.wtkr.com/news/officials-address-after-hours-satan-club-at-chesapeake-primary-school

I am more concerned about my child being around other children and adults with fundamentalism. So again, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. If you only want to be around people you approve of, then homeschool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

If you read OP’s blurb it’s really an atheism club. Still, most parents will think like you and that’s the reason this club is never going to have more than 5 members.

So why they picked the name After School Satan Club? To get media attention? To provoke?
Sorry but no matter what is the content of the club i would feel really uncomfortable having my DC going to a club branding itself as satanic.
For my ES DC I want school clubs about art, sports, STEM, chess, scouts, music etc not this crap!!!

I've known a couple of groups with similar names. They recognized a problem with an afterschool Bible or Christian club that offered fun and interesting after school activities for Christians, but the school did not have alternative similar after school activities for non-Christians. Additionally, the proselytizing nature of the Christian club (not explicitly, but the frequent discussions that those who did not believe were doomed to Hell, damnnation, etc) meant that those who were not Christian felt left out and felt they did not have similar opportunities. Because it was a direct reaction to anti-Christian segregation, they named the club to show that there was a very non-Christian orientation to the club. Yes, a provocative name, but not a provocative club or intent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

It is our goal to provide a fun,
intellectually stimulating, and
non-proselytizing alternative to
current religious after school clubs
being offered in our public schools,
which aim to indoctrinate children into
their religious view.
We are not offering any materials or
lectures to your child about Satanism;
instead, our focus will be on free
inquiry and rationalism, bolstering
scientific understandings of the
natural world, and nurturing your
child’s already awesome ability to be
curious about the wonders around
them.

https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/after-school-satan

So they’re tearing down other religions, got it. If it’s just another nature or physics club, why not call it that.

then they will fit right in with the religious clubs.

You’ve obviously never been in a religious context. I don’t remember a single time anybody tore down another religion. A religious club is going to be more about praying and maybe a little scripture and lots of soup kitchens and other charitable deeds. You might have to buy stinky candles to support a homeless shelter attend out-of-tune caroling at the local old folks’ home.

The Satanist club? Who knows.

You're hilarious.

OK, tell us from your own experience what goes on in an elementary school religious club.

Also, tell us what the Satanists do every week.