Elementary School allows Satanic Church sponsored club to meet along with Christian Club

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

What? That's the only basis for allowing it - nondiscrimination under the first amendment since the school allows other religious clubs after school. Read the article, and the rationale of the school district and the law professor

^ from the article: "University of Richmond law professor Jack Preis told WTKR that Chesapeake Public Schools don’t really have a choice when it come to allowing the Satan Club because if the school is going to allow one religious club to meet, all other clubs must be allowed — regardless of religion — thanks to the First Amendment."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like Christians pushed hard to get religion into public schools and then are outraged when a religion that they don't like walks through the doors they opened

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

What? That's the only basis for allowing it - nondiscrimination under the first amendment since the school allows other religious clubs after school. Read the article, and the rationale of the school district and the law professor

^ from the article: "University of Richmond law professor Jack Preis told WTKR that Chesapeake Public Schools don’t really have a choice when it come to allowing the Satan Club because if the school is going to allow one religious club to meet, all other clubs must be allowed — regardless of religion — thanks to the First Amendment."

NP. And this is why they chose the name they did. A school has no standing for criticizing a Christian club for not talking about the tenets of their faith enough. If they want to meet to crochet doilies and sing the Burger King Whopper commercial, that's fine -- the school has no business saying they can't meet as a Christian club unless they say "THE LORD" sixteen times each hour.

But if they allow that club to meet, then they must allow all clubs that identify with a religion to meet, or be in very clear violation of the first amendment of our nation's Constitution. However -- they still have no standing to judge whether THAT club is sufficiently religious enough by outside standards.

And so here we are. Satanic Temple clubs are just as valid under the Constitution as Christian clubs and Jewish clubs and Mormon clubs and all the rest. If you allow one, you allow them all. It also doesn't matter to their validity if they have 2 members or 200. That's how it works, folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

What? That's the only basis for allowing it - nondiscrimination under the first amendment since the school allows other religious clubs after school. Read the article, and the rationale of the school district and the law professor

^ from the article: "University of Richmond law professor Jack Preis told WTKR that Chesapeake Public Schools don’t really have a choice when it come to allowing the Satan Club because if the school is going to allow one religious club to meet, all other clubs must be allowed — regardless of religion — thanks to the First Amendment."

NP. And this is why they chose the name they did. A school has no standing for criticizing a Christian club for not talking about the tenets of their faith enough. If they want to meet to crochet doilies and sing the Burger King Whopper commercial, that's fine -- the school has no business saying they can't meet as a Christian club unless they say "THE LORD" sixteen times each hour.

But if they allow that club to meet, then they must allow all clubs that identify with a religion to meet, or be in very clear violation of the first amendment of our nation's Constitution. However -- they still have no standing to judge whether THAT club is sufficiently religious enough by outside standards.

And so here we are. Satanic Temple clubs are just as valid under the Constitution as Christian clubs and Jewish clubs and Mormon clubs and all the rest. If you allow one, you allow them all. It also doesn't matter to their validity if they have 2 members or 200. That's how it works, folks.

This. And may I just add, I recognize that's what the Supreme Court says the First Amendment means, but it's stupid. (Sorry Scotus.) Religion should be a private matter. There should not be any religious clubs of any kind in public schools.

But since there are, they have to allow them all. Whatever. You don't have to sign your kid up. I sure wouldn't be signing up for any of these. My kids already sit through 6 hours of Hebrew school a week at our shul.

And while we're at it, I'd like it if legislatures ditched the religious openings - I don't care if you occasionally bring in a rabbi or imam, there is no business mixing prayer with civil rulemaking. And I'd get rid of the White House Christmas and Easter stuff too. Give me a break on "it's secular." It's founded in religion and has no business in a public building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two important points - one, the school district cannot legally refuse to rent to any group during non-school hours. There aren't even any kids present, so it would be plain discrimination.

Another thing; the club is being super transparent about who they are, so that no one registers their kid and then finds out later.

So I don't see the problem. It's not even a religious club.

What? That's the only basis for allowing it - nondiscrimination under the first amendment since the school allows other religious clubs after school. Read the article, and the rationale of the school district and the law professor

^ from the article: "University of Richmond law professor Jack Preis told WTKR that Chesapeake Public Schools don’t really have a choice when it come to allowing the Satan Club because if the school is going to allow one religious club to meet, all other clubs must be allowed — regardless of religion — thanks to the First Amendment."

But the Satanic Temple is only religious in the sense of being....ironic or satirical, depending on how you look at it. They don't worship Satan. They seem to be mostly atheistic, or at least not Christian. But there isn't any Satan worship or satanic ritual, or ritual of any kind. It's mostly a metaphor and a way to draw attention to various issues they care about. Most likely the club in the school is a way to bring attention to what has already been pointed out in this thread - that since Christians wanted so badly to have their religion in schools, they now have to have the Satanic Temple too. It's like the opposite of owning the libs.

[Anonymous]

Totally fine with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

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You people are not reading, or thinking, probably on purpose. You are gaining no ground. Engage thoughtfully and be an honest interlocutor and you'll do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

What do they do in their weekly after school meetings, if atheism isn’t a system if thought as pp keeps posting?

+1

You people are not reading, or thinking, probably on purpose. You are gaining no ground. Engage thoughtfully and be an honest interlocutor and you'll do better.

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They didn’t even bother to read the article. I guess they don’t want facts to get in the way of their bigotry.

[Anonymous]

No religious clubs of any sort be allowed.

[Anonymous]

In the last election several of the new school board members elected were on the "anti-woke"/deSantis-inspired/book banning train. Supposedly the satan club request was facilitated by someone who ran for the school board as a more liberal candidate and didn't win. Local politics in the city of Chesapeake are about to take an interesting turn - and last year, most of the loud yellers who wanted to ban books at school board meetings in nearby Virginia Beach were actually part of some national conservative movement. It appears that Chespaeake is some sort of a battleground for national-level political operatives on both sides. Unfortunately it's the local parents and kids who are trapped in the middle of this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the last election several of the new school board members elected were on the "anti-woke"/deSantis-inspired/book banning train. Supposedly the satan club request was facilitated by someone who ran for the school board as a more liberal candidate and didn't win. Local politics in the city of Chesapeake are about to take an interesting turn - and last year, most of the loud yellers who wanted to ban books at school board meetings in nearby Virginia Beach were actually part of some national conservative movement. It appears that Chespaeake is some sort of a battleground for national-level political operatives on both sides. Unfortunately it's the local parents and kids who are trapped in the middle of this nonsense.

Astroturfing - just like in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Good.

Christian, not a Satanist, but also educated and intelligent enough to know that the CoS does not worship Satan, or anyone else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

And that’s fine. It’s an available, optional club. Your kid isn’t going to be conscripted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

If you read OP’s blurb it’s really an atheism club. Still, most parents will think like you and that’s the reason this club is never going to have more than 5 members.

So why they picked the name After School Satan Club? To get media attention? To provoke?
Sorry but no matter what is the content of the club i would feel really uncomfortable having my DC going to a club branding itself as satanic.
For my ES DC I want school clubs about art, sports, STEM, chess, scouts, music etc not this crap!!!

Neat. So don’t sound them to the club. Problem solved.