Stanford Sued After Following Another Student Suicide

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/25/information-lawsuit-family-katie-meyer/

Stanford's response.

Once the family learns the evidence against their daughter, this matter may come to a swift resolution.

Everyone regards this as an unnecessary tragedy.

I read this as Stanford attempting to intimidate the family.

FWIW I live near Stanford and the general feeling around here is that is what Stanford has done.

That is a strange reaction. How is detailing all the steps taken and the help offered to Katie an attempt to intimidate?

Stanford describes her actions as allegedly causing “physical injury.”

Which means it was minor at best. You can be certain that if medical treatment had been required, for instance, that would have been noted. I am extremely skeptical of Stanford’s response here. This is an intimidation play by Stanford, no question. They want her parents to drop the lawsuit because they don’t want the details to become public.

+1. The involvement of the Dean, the robust collection of comments in the disciplinary case from the football player’s mother, teammates, etc., and the fact that the football player did not initiate the complaint all make me suspicious about additional details that aren’t included in the parents’ filing. There are two big gaps that only Stanford can fill in: what happened between the sexual assault and the coffee, and what happened between the spill and Dean Caldera initiating the disciplinary process.

[Anonymous]

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I read the article cited in the original post in this thread. If I understand correctly, the female student was given notice in February to submit any exculpatory evidence. She ignored the notice and never responded. Stanford University officials waited as long as they could for her response, but ultimately had to proceed six months later due to an approaching statute of limitations.

The student who wanted to be admitted to Stanford's law school seems to have no respect for rules--or she thought that she was above the rules.

Even with just one side of the story, I cannot imagine how Stanford University is in any way liable for the student's suicide.

You need to improve your imagination.

There is no evidence that Katie read the email that Stanford sent. She was notified by email after working hours less than five hours before the university statute of limitations expired - while alone in her dorm room - that the school was proceeding with charges. There are very clearly procedural issues at a minimum with how this was handled. I am assuming that you are a parent if you are on this board - would you want your kid to be in the position that Katie Meyer was?

So your position is that Stanford decided to unfairly prosecute a disciplinary action against a star athlete for shits and giggles? Do you not realize how that makes no sense?

According to the complaint, the male victim did not accuse her. So why was a proceeding started? My guess is he sought medical attention because he was burned with a scalding liquid and the health center reported it. I think it more likely she deliberately poured a hot coffee causing injury than there was a coffee spill that was found sufficient to justify punishing her.

And I think the Stanford football player didn’t complain because he knew her response would be to accuse him of sexually assaulting her team mate, who was a minor. And he had his reputation and future to think about. So instead of complaining and having his name associated with a sexual assault, he griped to the coach and/or athletic boosters, who acted on his behalf, so his ability to play football in the fall was not jeopardized and he got to keep his reputation intact.

I think it’s telling that the minor reported the sexual assault and Stanford didn’t act. And the football player did not report the coffee incident and Stanford responded with a punishment appropriate for a rapist or murderer.

I think that a womens soccer player at Stanford may be an impressive athlete and Katie was probably a much better athlete, scholar and human being than the football player. But the “star athletes” are the members of the mens football and basketball program. And I think they have more clout because these are revenue sports with wealthy and powerful boosters.

I know she spilled the coffee while riding her bike. And I also think that no matter how impressive an athlete she was, she wasn’t biking with “scalding” coffee.

Does any of that seem possible to you?

The complaint against Katie was initiated by Lisa Caldera, Dean of Residential life, not the football player, coach or a football booster.

How did the Dean find out about the incident? And why did the Dean threaten to expel Katie? Do you think any of this would have happened if she had spilled coffeee on a random unhooked history major?

https://theymustresign.substack.com/p/stanfords-president-and-provost-must
Sounds like Dean Caldera was also running a college consulting program during Stanford work hours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many men accused of sexual assault at Stanford received an email threatening to withhold their diploma? I would be shocked if it were any. Certainly if a woman decides not to file a complaint, there is no discipline.

Meanwhile, she spills coffee. He doesn’t file a complaint. And Stanford still goes for the nuclear option. That’s an absurd over reaction. Did they learn nothing from Brock Turner?

I’m so furious. I was part of a similar incident at Dartmouth. The deans tried to push me into the campus disciplinary system and were pissed when I went to the Hanover police and asked to press charges. I was repeatedly asked by an administrator responsible for my access to course registration and on-campus job recruiting to drop the charges because it would be “better” to deal with it on campus. For them.

In the end, I stayed on campus during a break to testify in court. Unfortunately the prosecutor accepted a plea deal the day before. The incident- in which I had done nothing- ultimately affected my recruiting and my life after graduation.

Rest in peace, Katie Meyer. I hate what they did to her and respect her so much- anyone who doesn’t understand the power an institution has over its students in this kind of scenario is ignorant and naive. I wish they hadn’t cornered her like this.

How is this remotely similar? You were the victim, Katie was alleged to be the assailant.

I was at Yale in the mid nineties. A male student walked up to a black female student in the dining room on a dare and smacked her on the face. She tried to report him to the master of the college. The master did not get back to her or meet with her for several days, so she went to the new haven police and reported an assault. I think she absolutely did the right thing, but so many people in the res college thought she should not have gone to the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These allegations are taken straight from her parent’s complaint. As an attorney, I’d say there are likely lots of facts missing here.

Stanford lies constantly.

Stanford lied about Elon Musk's degree got sued and then tried to pedal backward they lost.

Stanford is a crap institution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/25/information-lawsuit-family-katie-meyer/

Stanford's response.

Once the family learns the evidence against their daughter, this matter may come to a swift resolution.

Everyone regards this as an unnecessary tragedy.

I read this as Stanford attempting to intimidate the family.

FWIW I live near Stanford and the general feeling around here is that is what Stanford has done.

That is a strange reaction. How is detailing all the steps taken and the help offered to Katie an attempt to intimidate?

Stanford describes her actions as allegedly causing “physical injury.”

Which means it was minor at best. You can be certain that if medical treatment had been required, for instance, that would have been noted. I am extremely skeptical of Stanford’s response here. This is an intimidation play by Stanford, no question. They want her parents to drop the lawsuit because they don’t want the details to become public.

+1. The involvement of the Dean, the robust collection of comments in the disciplinary case from the football player’s mother, teammates, etc., and the fact that the football player did not initiate the complaint all make me suspicious about additional details that aren’t included in the parents’ filing. There are two big gaps that only Stanford can fill in: what happened between the sexual assault and the coffee, and what happened between the spill and Dean Caldera initiating the disciplinary process.

+1

And that’s information Stanford clearly doesn’t want coming to light. They’re effectively trying to threaten the parents by implying Stanford is willing to drag their dead daughter’s reputation through the mud. It is despicable behavior from Stanford, just awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These allegations are taken straight from her parent’s complaint. As an attorney, I’d say there are likely lots of facts missing here.

+1

There are always three sides to every story = yours, mine, and the truth.

Well said

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/25/information-lawsuit-family-katie-meyer/

Stanford's response.

Once the family learns the evidence against their daughter, this matter may come to a swift resolution.

Everyone regards this as an unnecessary tragedy.

I read this as Stanford attempting to intimidate the family.

FWIW I live near Stanford and the general feeling around here is that is what Stanford has done.

That is a strange reaction. How is detailing all the steps taken and the help offered to Katie an attempt to intimidate?

Stanford describes her actions as allegedly causing “physical injury.”

Which means it was minor at best. You can be certain that if medical treatment had been required, for instance, that would have been noted. I am extremely skeptical of Stanford’s response here. This is an intimidation play by Stanford, no question. They want her parents to drop the lawsuit because they don’t want the details to become public.

+1. The involvement of the Dean, the robust collection of comments in the disciplinary case from the football player’s mother, teammates, etc., and the fact that the football player did not initiate the complaint all make me suspicious about additional details that aren’t included in the parents’ filing. There are two big gaps that only Stanford can fill in: what happened between the sexual assault and the coffee, and what happened between the spill and Dean Caldera initiating the disciplinary process.

+1

And that’s information Stanford clearly doesn’t want coming to light. They’re effectively trying to threaten the parents by implying Stanford is willing to drag their dead daughter’s reputation through the mud. It is despicable behavior from Stanford, just awful.

Obviously, the parents put the disciplinary hearing front and center, exactly what she did is going to come out.

It’s all so sad, but the lawsuit is entirely off base and isn’t going to bring peace to her family, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I read the article cited in the original post in this thread. If I understand correctly, the female student was given notice in February to submit any exculpatory evidence. She ignored the notice and never responded. Stanford University officials waited as long as they could for her response, but ultimately had to proceed six months later due to an approaching statute of limitations.

The student who wanted to be admitted to Stanford's law school seems to have no respect for rules--or she thought that she was above the rules.

Even with just one side of the story, I cannot imagine how Stanford University is in any way liable for the student's suicide.

You need to improve your imagination.

There is no evidence that Katie read the email that Stanford sent. She was notified by email after working hours less than five hours before the university statute of limitations expired - while alone in her dorm room - that the school was proceeding with charges. There are very clearly procedural issues at a minimum with how this was handled. I am assuming that you are a parent if you are on this board - would you want your kid to be in the position that Katie Meyer was?

So your position is that Stanford decided to unfairly prosecute a disciplinary action against a star athlete for shits and giggles? Do you not realize how that makes no sense?

According to the complaint, the male victim did not accuse her. So why was a proceeding started? My guess is he sought medical attention because he was burned with a scalding liquid and the health center reported it. I think it more likely she deliberately poured a hot coffee causing injury than there was a coffee spill that was found sufficient to justify punishing her.

And I think the Stanford football player didn’t complain because he knew her response would be to accuse him of sexually assaulting her team mate, who was a minor. And he had his reputation and future to think about. So instead of complaining and having his name associated with a sexual assault, he griped to the coach and/or athletic boosters, who acted on his behalf, so his ability to play football in the fall was not jeopardized and he got to keep his reputation intact.

I think it’s telling that the minor reported the sexual assault and Stanford didn’t act. And the football player did not report the coffee incident and Stanford responded with a punishment appropriate for a rapist or murderer.

I think that a womens soccer player at Stanford may be an impressive athlete and Katie was probably a much better athlete, scholar and human being than the football player. But the “star athletes” are the members of the mens football and basketball program. And I think they have more clout because these are revenue sports with wealthy and powerful boosters.

I know she spilled the coffee while riding her bike. And I also think that no matter how impressive an athlete she was, she wasn’t biking with “scalding” coffee.

Does any of that seem possible to you?

The complaint against Katie was initiated by Lisa Caldera, Dean of Residential life, not the football player, coach or a football booster.

How did the Dean find out about the incident? And why did the Dean threaten to expel Katie? Do you think any of this would have happened if she had spilled coffeee on a random unhooked history major?

https://theymustresign.substack.com/p/stanfords-president-and-provost-must
Sounds like Dean Caldera was also running a college consulting program during Stanford work hours.

Tell me this Caldera consulting thing is a joke, because even at our podunk K-8 this isn’t allowed. Caldera is coming off as shady and self-serving, which would be fine except that she’s inserted herself front and center into a massive discliplinary and now legal issue. It’s hard to take her seriously when she comes across as ethically challenged.

[Anonymous]

College administrators are all sleazebag grifters. It’s a scam grossly overpaid “job”. They do nothing but hobnob and jet around. It’s all a big racket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother graduated from Stanford and first exhibited signs of schizophrenia-like mental illness while there. I later found evidence that he had been diagnosed while still a student. My family was never alerted. He proceeded to fall apart and explode his life in his 20s. He has still not gotten help/medication and has never supported himself…. The fact he was a Stanford graduate went from a badge of honor and achievement to a weight around his neck— a medal he would never live up to.

Privacy laws prohibit schools from telling parents about their student's health matters.

This is why you insist your kid sign a waiver of privacy, have it notarized and keep copies on hand at school and home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College administrators are all sleazebag grifters. It’s a scam grossly overpaid “job”. They do nothing but hobnob and jet around. It’s all a big racket.

+1

Too many administrators/bureaucrats trying to justify their own existence and excessive salary by making big deals out of small incidents.

[Anonymous]

Stanford is a good school. For many californians, it's just a jock school with a bunch of meatheads pretending to be serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/25/information-lawsuit-family-katie-meyer/

Stanford's response.

Once the family learns the evidence against their daughter, this matter may come to a swift resolution.

Everyone regards this as an unnecessary tragedy.

I read this as Stanford attempting to intimidate the family.

FWIW I live near Stanford and the general feeling around here is that is what Stanford has done.

That is a strange reaction. How is detailing all the steps taken and the help offered to Katie an attempt to intimidate?

Stanford describes her actions as allegedly causing “physical injury.”

Which means it was minor at best. You can be certain that if medical treatment had been required, for instance, that would have been noted. I am extremely skeptical of Stanford’s response here. This is an intimidation play by Stanford, no question. They want her parents to drop the lawsuit because they don’t want the details to become public.

+1. The involvement of the Dean, the robust collection of comments in the disciplinary case from the football player’s mother, teammates, etc., and the fact that the football player did not initiate the complaint all make me suspicious about additional details that aren’t included in the parents’ filing. There are two big gaps that only Stanford can fill in: what happened between the sexual assault and the coffee, and what happened between the spill and Dean Caldera initiating the disciplinary process.

I’m sorry if I missed this, but where is it confirmed that there was indeed a sexual assault? Rather than an allegation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/25/information-lawsuit-family-katie-meyer/

Stanford's response.

Once the family learns the evidence against their daughter, this matter may come to a swift resolution.

Everyone regards this as an unnecessary tragedy.

I read this as Stanford attempting to intimidate the family.

FWIW I live near Stanford and the general feeling around here is that is what Stanford has done.

That is a strange reaction. How is detailing all the steps taken and the help offered to Katie an attempt to intimidate?

Stanford describes her actions as allegedly causing “physical injury.”

Which means it was minor at best. You can be certain that if medical treatment had been required, for instance, that would have been noted. I am extremely skeptical of Stanford’s response here. This is an intimidation play by Stanford, no question. They want her parents to drop the lawsuit because they don’t want the details to become public.

+1. The involvement of the Dean, the robust collection of comments in the disciplinary case from the football player’s mother, teammates, etc., and the fact that the football player did not initiate the complaint all make me suspicious about additional details that aren’t included in the parents’ filing. There are two big gaps that only Stanford can fill in: what happened between the sexual assault and the coffee, and what happened between the spill and Dean Caldera initiating the disciplinary process.

I’m sorry if I missed this, but where is it confirmed that there was indeed a sexual assault? Rather than an allegation?

I’ve only seen it as “alleged” assault, but I also have seen nothing that says he didn’t do it, only that it did not warrant further formal action by the university based on the nature of the event.

[Anonymous]

What an awful, horrifying situation. I can't judge the validity of the lawsuit, but it seems like there were just huge, tragic missteps on everyone's side - whatever the merits of the disciplinary case, it seems really badly handled from start to finish. And it sounds like the family knew that her anxiety and perfectionism was pretty extreme. And maybe most horrifying - the implication that this kind of neurosis is the norm for students at elite universities. What a nightmare. I'm glad my kids are not in that world.